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Wednesdav, September 3, 2008
Council Chamber, City Hall
200 South Anaheim Boulevard
Anaheim, California
Commissioners Present: Chairman: Joseph Karaki
Peter Agarwal, Kelly Buffa, Gaii Eastman,
Stephen Faessel, Victoria Ramirez, Panky Romero
Staff Present:
CJ Amstrup, Planning Services Manager Raul Garcia, Principal Civil Engineer
Linda Johnson, Principal Planner David Kennedy, Associate Transportation Planner
Mark Gordon, Assistant City Attorney Michele irwin, Sr. Police Services Representative
David See, Senior Planner Ossie Edmundson, Senior Secretary
Scott Koehm, Associate Planner ponna Patino, Secretary
Agenda Posting: A complete copy of the Planning Commission Agenda was posted at
10:00 a.m. on Thursday, August 28, 2008, inside the dispiay case located in the foyer of the
Council Chamber, and also in the outside display kiosk.
Published: Anaheim Bulletin Newspaper on Thursday, August 21, 2008
• Call to Order
• Preliminary Plan Review 1:30 P.M.
• STAFF UPDATE TO COMMISSION ON VARIOUS CITY DEVELOPMENTS
AND ISSUES (AS REQUESTED BY PLANNING COMMISSION)
• PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW FOR ITEMS ON THE SEPTEMBER 3, 2008 AGENDA
• Recess to Public Hearing
• Reconvene to Public Hearing 2:30 P.flA.
Attendance: 8
e Pledge of Allegiance: Commissioner Buffa
s Public Comments
o Co~sent Calendar
o Public Hearing Items
. Adjournment
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Anaheim Planning Commission Minutes.
Public Comments: None `" '
This is an opportunity for members of the public to speak on any item under the jurisdiction of the
Anaheim Planning Commission or public comments on agenda items with the exception of public
hearing items.
Consent Calendar:
Commissioner Faessel offered a motion, seconded by Commissioner Buffa and MOTION
CARRIED, for continuance of Items 1A and 1 B.
Reports and Recommendations
ITEM NO. 1A
CEQA CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIOM. CLASS 21 AND
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2798
(Tracking No. CUP2008-05355)
Owner. Charles Hance
828 West Vermont Avenue
Anaheim, CA 92805
Applicant: Charles Hance
828 West Vermont Avenue
Anaheim, CA 92805
Location: 828 West Vermont Avenue: This property is
approximately 1.29 acres, with a frontage of 292
feet on the south and west side of Vermont
Avenue with the Interstate 5 Freeway to the
north and west of the property and single-family
and multiple family residences to the north and
east.
Request to initiate the modification or revocation of
Conditional Use Permit No. 2798 (to permit an automotive
sales and service facility and outdoor storage with waiver of
minimum number of parking spaces).
Consent Calendar Approval
Contirtued to
September 15, 2008
Motion: Faessel/Buffa
VOTE: 7-0
Project Planner:
Scott Koehm
skoehmno anaheim.net
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Minu es
ITEM 1 B
Receiving and approving the Minutes from the Planning
Commission Meeting of September 4, 2008.
Continued to
September 15, 2008
Consent Calendar Approval
Motion: Faessel/Buffa
VOTE: 7-0
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Public Hearina Item:
ITEM NO. 2
Owner: John Marovic
735 North Anaheim Boulevard
Anaheim, CA 92805
Helen Brummel
741 North Anaheim Boulevard
Anaheim, CA 92805
Elmer Boydstun
703 North Anaheim Boulevard
Anaheim, CA 92805
Applicant: Mike Ayaz
2107 N. Broadway, Suite 106
Santa Ana, CA 92706
Locations: 735 North Anaheim_Boulevard (Juke Joint):
This property is approximately 0.25 acre and has
frontage of 104 feet on the west side of Anaheim
Boulevard, a maximum depth of 108 feet, and is
located 287 feet south of the centerline of North
Street.
Off-site parking would be provided on the following
properties located at:
929 North Anaheim Boulevard (deleted)
741-745 North Anaheim Boulevard: This
property is approximately 0.26 acres, having a
frontage of 100 feet on the west side of Anaheim
Boulevard and is located 181 feet south of the
centerline of North Street.
Resolution No. PC2008-86
Resolution No. PC2008-87
(Buffa)
CUP
Approved, modified
Condition Nos. 4, 6, 27 & 28
and added Condition No. 34
VOTE: 7-0
Prior to the vote on the
resolution, an amendment
was offered to adjust the
hours of operation in
Condition No. 28.
Motion: Eastman/Faessel
PCN
Approved, modified
Condition Nos. 1, 3, 24 & 25
and added Condition No. 29
VOTE: 7•0
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703 North Anaheim Boulevard: This property is
approximately 0.12 acre and is located at the
northwest corner of Anaheim Boulevard and
Wilhelmina Street with frontages of 52 feet on the
west side of Anaheim Boulevard and 108 feet on
the north side of Wilhelmina Street.
Re4uest: Request for a Conditional Use Permit and a
Determination of Public Convenience or Necessity to permit and
retain an existing nightclub with dancing, live entertainment and
fewer parking spaces than required by code. The applicant also
requests authorization for the sale of alcoholic beverages for
on-premises consumption with a Type 48 public premises ABC
license.
Project Planner.
David See
dsee(~a anaheim.net
Dave See, Senior Planner, presented the staff report. Staff recommended modifications to
conditions of approval with regards to the Conditionai Use Permit resolution, Condition No.
4 is to read as follows; That the rear door (west side of the building) shall remain closed at
ail times except during times of emergencies. The rear door shall also be fitted with an
alarm which sounds when the door is opened.
With regards to Condition No. 27, staff recommends that the first sentence be removed.
The condition should read as follows; Patrons must go in and out of the front doors and the
owner shall create a smoking area in the front equipped with ashtrays and a trash
receptacle.
Staff also recommended the following new condition: That the owner shall maintain the
conditions of approval at the business premises and shall make said conditions available to
personnel of the City of Anaheim upon request during regular business hours.
Staff pointed out that the applicant submitted a petition and a notice of the community
meeting which staff provided to the Commission at the plan review.
Chairman Karaki opened the public hearing.
Mike Ayaz, attorney, 2107 N. Broadway, Suite 106, stated that he represents the appiicant
John Marovia They have been working on tHis project together diligently with staff. He
stated that his client has gone over each and every condition and with the exception of a
few conditions he is agreeable. He wanted to address some issues that were brought up
during the preliminary meeting, with regards to the alley, parking, and list of signatures
provided to the Planning Commission.
He stated that the list of signatures he provided are names of patrons that come from all
across the country to the Juke Joint which is a historic venue. In the package that was
provided to the Planning Commission there is a letter from the previous owner of the Doll
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Hut who is in support of this venue. There are musicians present at this meeting who
regularly play at the Juke Joint, Doll Hut, and the House of Blues. There are people that
come from all over the country to see them. Staff could attest that during their community -
meeting there were neighbors that were there to voice their concerns but at the same time
they expressed how their friends from Detroit would come to see their favorite performers
at this location.
With regards to the ailey and condition of approval No. 3 which requires removal of two
parking spaces towards Anaheim Boulevard in order to open up that driveway for easier
access Anaheim Boulevard, they went door to door to each of the neighbors on Zeyn
Street. Six of the neighbors attended the meeting and an overwhelming number of them
were supportive of their project. He understands that the Planning Commission received
two letters of opposition however, the other neighbors were supportive.
With regards to conditions, they are fine with the hours proposed for Thursday, Friday, and
Saturday, but they are asking the Commission if they would allow limited hours of
entertainment on Sunday, which is traditionally reserved for football watching, bar-b que's
and jazz bands. The applicant also would Iike to have a Wednesday show. The reason for
the Wednesday show is because this venue plays to traveling bands from across the
United States. It is difficult for their business not to offer a Wednesday show because when
bands are traveling from North to South to get to larger venues they have to schedule
shows when the bands are available. The applicant believes that the conditions that have
been proposed by the Police and Planning staff will mitigate any concerns whether it be on
a Wednesday or Thursday. They hope that based on the conditions and their future
encounters with the City they would be able to show that they will be able to address all the
issues outlined by staff. He pointed out that the Planning Department has never received a
complaint with regards to this location. He understands that the Police have received calis
but the only thing they could do is adhere to the conditions that have been placed upon
them as well as adding the additional security and taking additional measures to make sure
that they reduce those calls.
With regards to eliminating the smoking ~ear the back exif; they do not have a problem with
that. It was part of their suggestion when they worked with staff that they would not have
people in the back during the evening hours. It can be problematic in the afternoon if
someone walks out the back door. They are asking the Commission to either limit the
hours that the back door could be open to a reasonable time like 8 or 9 o'clock. The
applicant does not want people out there because if they are not good with their neighbors
the neighbors will not be good with them and it would eventually lead them back to the
Planning Commission in a much worse scenario.
The applicant has tried to be as proactive as possible with this project. They held a
community meeting and invited staff and neighbors. They will try to do more things like this
to put there name out there and to let the community know how to get a hold of the
business owner by providing a hotline. They are in the process of creating an e-mail
address and an open door policy.
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They are okay with the conditipns but the only thing they would ask the Commission to
consider would be to allow the limited hours of entertainment on Sunday and Wednesday
until 11:00 p.m.
Chairma~ Karaki wanted to know how the patrons would physically smoke in the front of
the building verses smoking in the back, because there is a public sidewalk at the front
entrance.
Mr. Ayaz believed the concern with staff and the Police Department was with the use of the
back smoking area in the evening hours because people would congregate making noise
that would project to the neighbors. The intent was to protect the neighbor's and he
suggested language to address the concern by limiting access to the back after 8 p.m.;
after 8 o'clock there would be no smoking out back whenever there is entertainment and
that the door must remain closed. The hours for entertainment are in the evening. They
have regular customers in the afternoon and he does not see why a few people could not
come out that door at 11:00 a.m. They are asking the Planning Commission for a
reasonabie condition with regards to smoking in back and using the back door during the
day.
Commissioner Faessel commented with regards to Condition of Approval No. 27, that the
doors open up almost right up to the sidewalk. He asked how they were proposing to
locate a smoking area outside being on the City sidewalk.
Mr. Ayaz stated that it was not a condition that they proposed but it was something they
were willing to work with the City to do. There is a large section before the doors which
they spoke to staff about putting in some stationary benches and ashtrays. They are open
to suggestions.
Commissioner Faessel expressed his hope that the applicant and staff could find a location
for smoking in front of the building.
Tom Chan, Chiropractic Dr., 7766 E. Northfield Avenue, 92805 stated that he was one of
the original owners of the Juke Joint. He is in support of this project. The Juke Joint looks
much nicer today and they have always tried to make it safe. They have a small niche of
bands and peopie from all over the country that go there to enjoy the music.
John Marovic, property owner, 735 N. Anaheim Boulevard, 92805, stated that the business
has been in his family for over thirty years. There was a time when it was sold it and he did
not own it for five years. Since then he has taken the Juke Joint back. He has worked with
people to clean up what the previous owner had left. He would like to continue what his
father had established as well as be proactive with the community and have a place where
people can enjoy themselves at a reasonable cost and listen to live entertainment. There is
no other venue like his that caters to this niche crowd.
Commissioner Eastman asked about the applicanYs interaction with the community. She
was aware that they held a community meeting and the neighbor's were generally
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supportive; however, she recognized Chris Hennly's house right behind their property and
wondered if he had interaction with Chris.
Mr. Marovic replied no not recently. He went to a historic district meeting to meet all the
members of the Colony that live in the houses behind the Juke Joint to hear their concerns
so that they could mitigate whatever concerns they have. He has given them his personal
number so they can notify him if they have a problem. He continues to be proactive with
the community.
Stephen Estlow, patron, 8081 Holland Drive, Huntington Beach, 92647, stated that he is
good friends with the applicant. He loves music and the Juke Joint is the only place in
Orange County you can hear western swing, rock-a-billy, and country music. There have
been artists from all over the country and he thinks this is a benefit for businesses such as
Taco Boy, EI Pollo Fino, and Guadalajara. He is a police officer and he never has seen
anyone out of control there and he knows they have better security than other locations.
Robert Williams, resident, 202 Pageant Street, Anaheim, 92807, stated that he is a
musician and he started in places like the Juke Joint. He feels this is a good location for up
and coming bands to have an opportunity to play their music.
Jessi Pagel, resident, 1911 S. Haster Street Suite 40, Anaheim, 92802, stated that she has
been a resident for about four months. She has known the applicant for a year. She is the
owner of a modern pinup subculture group where a group of girls travel to host events. The
Juke Joint venue in Anaheim is where she and her giris feel the safest. She supports this
project.
Commissioner Faessel referred to condition no. 12 which states; that all entertainers and
employees shall be clothed in such a way as to not to expose "specified anatomical areas°
as described in Section 7.16.060 of the Anaheim Municipal Code. He is hopeful that her
girls will be able to follow that so that they do not have problems later.
Ms. Pagel replied that they are seductive and beautiful buY in a tasteful way.
Jorge Bermudez, patron, 314 E. Wilshire Avenue, Fullerton, 92832 stated that the reason
he goes to the Juke Joint is to escape the zoo of night life that Fullerton has created. He is
a musician and he realized that the Juke Joint is a cooi place to watch local and touring
bands.
Mr. Ayaz wanted to clarify that Ms. Pagel spoke in general terms. They have always been
dressed appropriately when at the Juke Joint. He has explained to his client what is meant
by "specific anatomical parts" and the applicant understands what is permitted.
Mc See stated that staff will provide the applicant with a copy of the Code Section so that
the applicant is aware of the specific language in the Code.
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Chairman Karaki asked if there was anyone else who would fike to speak to this item;
seeing none, he closed the public hearing.
A brief discussion between the Planning Commission and staff took place. The Planning
Commissioner's were in support of this project however, they raised some concerns.
The Planning Commission's concerns were with regards to off-site parking, lighting, no
security cameras, and the smoking area. These concerns were addressed for the
neighbors that back up the business property.
Commissioner Romero was concerned with the off-site parking and thought staff could
modify Conditions of Approval Nos. 1, 2 and 3.
Staff assured the Planning Commission that they would work with the applicant to ensure
that customers were directed to the correct parking lot and not affect neighboring property
owners by providing flyers and information on the website.
Chairman Karaki stated that although he was in support of this project he was disappointed
with the conditions that were not addressed for this project. He was concerned with the
parking lot, smoking area, lighting, and security camera issues. He stated that if they did
not address these issues other business owners might expect the same. He thought they
needed to address these issues for the safety of the people and for the liability of the
owner.
CJ Amstrup, Planning Services Manager, stated with regards to the security issue that
there are no requirements for security cameras but there are requirements for actual
security guards. Staff has specified where security would be stationed and what their
range of duties would be in terms of how they would patrol the front and rear area. In terms
of the smoking area, staff was aware that there was not an opportunity to provide a covered
structure for smokers but what they were looking for was a place where patrons could
smoke with adequate facilities for them to put out there cigarettes and to make sure there
would be adequate containers for trash. This has been staffs intention with permitting
them to smoke in front of the business.
Chairman Karaki suggested that the applicant could place lights on the building and convert
two parking spaces into an area in the back for smoking.
Linda Johnson, Principal Planner, stated that there is a condition of approval that requires
the applicant to provide adequate lighting to the satisfaction of the Police Department.
Mr. See added that he went out on a Saturday night to view the lighting. The Juke Joint
does have wall lights. When considering lighting it is also important to consider how it may
affect the neighbors.
Ms. Johnson stated that staff will go out with the police department to re-inspect at night to
determine if any additional lighting needs to occur.
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The standard has been a minimum of 1 foot candle.
Michele Irwin, Senior Police Services Representative referred to the smoking area and
stated that one of the reasons they do not recommend a smoking area in the back of the
property would be the neighbors at the rear of the property. The City was trying to alleviate
noise from open doors and people hanging around the parking lot.
Commissioner Ramirez wanted to make sure staff clarified that the two Iocations providing
off-site parking would provide signage for patrons noting that it is Juke Joint parking.
Mr. See replied they will work with them on that.
Mark Gordon, Assistant City Attorney, wanted to comment on the conditions of approval
that were not discussed. He stated that staff mentioned modifications to the conditions of
approval attached to the CUP resolution and those Conditions are Nos. 4, 27 and a new
Condition No. 34.
He noted that by looking at the resolution for the Determination of Public Convenience and
Necessity that there are similar conditions. Condition No. 1 of the resolution for the
Determination of Public Convenience is in substantial form as Condition No. 4 to the CUP
resolution and Condition No. 24 of the resolution for the Determination of the Public
Convenience and Necessity is the same or similar to Condition No. 27 in the CUP
resolution.
He recommended that these conditions should be changed to read the same. The
condition that is added to the CUP resolution should also be added as an additional
condition to the PCN determination.
Cammissioner Buffa stated that one of the issues that was raised during the discussion
was whether one of the conditions in the use permit should be amended to provide
monitoring of off-site parking. Commissioner Romero suggested that might occur in one of
the first three conditions.
She thought it would work better if it were part of Condition No. 6 which describes required
security measures and identifies where the security guards should be stationed. She
thought Commissioner Romero would be satisfied if that condition would be amended to
identify that part of the duties of the security guard in the parking lot would be to help direct
patrons to the over flow parking areas. She thought Condition No. 6 could be modified
also.
Mr. See stated that staff concurred that if the security guards were to patrol the premises
then they could also manage the parking and direct customers to the correct lots.
Commissioner Buffa offered a recommendation to adopt the resolution for the Negative
Declaration and Conditional Use Permit to amend Condition of Approval Nos. 4, 6, 27, 28,
and to add a new Condition No. 34.
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Mr. Amstrup wanted clarification with regards to the hours for the rear door of the property.
He asked if the Planning Commission would be proposing any limitation on hours on days
of business or whenever there would be live entertainment.
Commissioner Buffa referred to Condition No. 4 that the rear door on the west side-of the
buiiding shall remain closed after 8:00 p.m. and during live entertainment except during
times of emergencies. The rear door shall also be fitted with an alarm which sounds when
the door is opened. She recommended 8:00 p.m. She stated that would be a change from
what staff originally proposed.
The applicant also stated that in his letter of operation he asked for an exception for
holidays. For example, if there is Monday Holiday such as St. Patrick's Day or Halloween,
they would like to have shows and be allowed to operate.
Commissioner Eastman offered a motion, seconded by Commissioner Faessel, to allow the
facility to operate on Wednesday or a Sunday when the day would fall on a national holiday
to have the same hours of operation as a Saturday night. Motion passed with 7 aye votes.
A discussion took place with regards to the operating hours and the days of operation
pertaining to holidays.
Commissioner Buffa offered a recommendation that the Planning Commission
adopt the attached resolution for the Negative Declaration and Conditional Use Permit No.
2008-05315 and to amend conditions 4, 6, 27, 28, with the addition of a new Condition No.
34.
Chairman Karaki asked staff for clarification with regards to the how the language should
read regarding the hours of operation.
Mr. Amstrup stated that live entertainment would be permitted Thursday, Friday and
Saturday until 2:00 a.m. Wednesday and Sunday live entertainment will be permitted until
11:00 p.m. Live entertainment would also be permitted on federally recognized holidays
and the list of holidays that are included in the applicant's letter of operation which includes
St. Patrick's Day, Halloween, Cinco De Mayo, Christmas and New Year's Eve, when these
holidays fall on a Wednesday or Sunday, entertainment will be permitted until 2:00 a.m., no
live entertainment would be permitted on a Monday or Tuesday.
Ossie Edmundson, Planning Commission Support Supervisor, announced that the
resolution passed with 7 yes votes.
Commissioner Buffa offered a recommendation that the Planning Commission adopt the
attached resolution and to approve the Determination of Pubiic Convenience or Necessity
No. 2008-00047 with amendments to condition of approvals 1, and 24. The amendments
of the conditions would reflect the same changes to the language made in the Conditional
Use Permit.
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Ossie Edmundson, Planning Commission Support Supervisor, announced that the
resolution passed with 7 yes votes. -
IN GENERAL: 6 people spoke in favor of the request.
A petition was received with 298 signatures in favor of the request.
Mark Gordon, Assistant City Attorney, presented the 22-day appeal rights ending at 5:00
p.m. on Thursday, September 25, 2008.
DISCUSSIOM TIME: 1 hour and 26 minutes (2:34 to 4:00)
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 4:00 P.BA.
TO MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2008 AT 1:30 P.M.
FOR PRELIIIAINARY PLAN REVIEW
RespectFully submitted:
~~i/~Z~ G~ ~'
Donna Patino
Secretary
Received and approved by the Planning Commission on September 29, 2008.
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