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Anaheim, California
April 28, 1969
SPECIAL PUBLIC-HEARING
A:special public hearing was called to order by Chairman Allred at 7:38 P.M.
Present: Chairman: Allred.
Commissioners; Camp, Farano, Gauer, Herbst, Thom, Rowland (who entered
the Council Chamber at 7:47 P.M.).
Development Services Director: Alan G. Orsborn
Assistant Development Services Director: Ronald Thompson
Public Works Director: Thornton Piersall
Parks and Recreation Director: John Collier
Fire Chief; Edward Stringer
Public Information Of.ficer: Bud Nagel
Assiatant Public Information Officer: Ken Clements
Assistant Planner; David Williamson
Planning Commisaion Secretary: Ann Krebs
C[iairman Allred opened the publ.ic hearing on the Preliminary General Plan-1969 and
introduced two special guests who will participate in "Youth in Government Day" May 1,
1969: Pamela Guido, Development Services Director, Katella High School, and Margaret
Krpyn, Zoning Supervisor, Katella High School.
Development Services Department Director Alan G. Orsborn appeared before the Commission
and stated that the department was pleased to present the Anaheim General Plan-1969,
which was something uniquely different, it being a Plan not developed for planners, but
a Plan developed in an endeavor to truly depict the desires and objectives of the people
of the City of Anaheim as expressed by their elected and appointed reprasentatives.
Mr. Orsborn'noted that the staff felt that the General Plan incorporated the very best
judgmenl• and the finest thinking of all the people in the community, both inside and
outside of government, and because the staff felt this General Plan was, in fact, the
format of the future development of_the community, and because it is a manner and means
of implementing the goals and object3ves as expressed by its citizens, it was also
necessary to incorporate the best thinking of the various department heads of the
community and staffs, since if the community is to develop in an orderly fashion, the
services provided by Chese various departments, and unless their thinking is incorporated
into the Plan and unless they have a constructive part of the Plan, we cannot proceed in
the fashion that would be acceptable to the citizens of the community in the City's
future gro~r~h and development.
The staff, Mr. Orsborn further noted, had tried to tell the story of the City of Anaheim
in this General Plan as it is - it had not been .~lossed or gold leafed, nor had it been
depreciated. The staff had tried very sincerely to depict the decisione of the govern-
ing body of the community and of the planning directors, further to relate the General
Plan with the policies that have been established bp these officials,
*1r, Orshorn also stated that while the Plan was firm, and it should be firm in its
application, it was not inflexible. However, if it was deemed desirable to deviate
from the Plan in any substantial manner, it was hoped that such deviation would take
place only after careful consideration of all the implications and all the factors
inyolved in such deviation which should then be on an area-wide basis rather than on
a lot-to-lot basis. Orderly development cannot be maintained if it is done in a piece-
meal fashion. On the other hand, a good program of development must change as the
desires of the citizena of the commGinity change, if this change is truly expressed by
them.
Mr. Orsborn then introduced Public Florks Director Thornton Piersall, noting he obviously
had a great stake in the General Plan since his department provided sewers, streets,
street maintenance, trash diaposal, etc., which all of the residents of the City of
Anaheim were thoroughly familiar with, and he hoped Mr, Piersall could express his
opinion regarding the General Plan.
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Mr, Piersall appeared before the Co~mnission and noted Mr, Orsborn had asked that he
present his ideas on the importance the General Plan had on the Publi;: Works Department;
that it gave him great pleasure to appear before the Commission sinte the General
Plan-1969 represented planning which involved every department in the City, and his
department was specifically innolved in many areas of related land use and planning~
such as sewer flow~ traffic volumes, storm drains, run-off, and these things were
important to his staff in their planning, as well as being important to the community;
that he wished to amplify Mr. Orsborn's statement that changes would be made since
the Plan should not be stagnant, but these changes generally were made after reflecting
what.the Plan had previously indicated and what commitments had been made previously,
and what commitments were involved in any decision that other governmental agencies,
such as the Flood Control District, County Sanitation, etc., in their long-range planning
~ were relating to the land uae plans of the City of Anaheim, since Anaheim's drainage
plans, sewage flow, etc., all related with their plans, and, therefore, he wished to
hesrtily endorse and recommend adoption of the General Plan and wished to thank the
Development Services Department for allowing him the opportunity to present his view-
points.
Mr. Orsborn then introduced Parks and Recreation Director 7ohn Collier, who he said was
~ also affected by the implicationa oi the General Plan since his department was required
, to provide the parka and recreation i:acilities as they related to the General Plan.and
as required by an increasing population, and asked for a few words from him as to how
the General Plan became a part of Fis operation and was contributing to the projections
as the General Plan proposed. ,.
Mr. Collier appeared before the Commission and noted his first contact with the City of
Anaheim in the planning aspect was in 1959; that he had lived in the City since 1955,
working as a consultant with the Citizens Committee to try to develop a master plan for
parks and recreation for the City of Anaheim; that Councilman Pebley was also on that
committee; that the City at that time did not have a General Plan, and a General Plan
was presented or developed approximately three years later; that he thought that the
Citizens Committee, with all the work they had placed into this, had tried to develop
some standarda for parka in Anaheim, serving as a basis for the first General Plan;
that studies and pro,jections from this Citizens Committee had been used innumerable
times since then, and he was'happy to have had a small part in these recommendations
which were quite an~involved set of standards, and it had worked out very well when it
became a part of the Gener.al Plan; that since 1962, he had been Director of the Parks
and Recreation Department, and the General Plan and the studies of this committee had
been their guideline, both for the Ciry and the Parks and Recreation Commission and by
neighborhoods since they worked with different people throughout the community, and
as the new General Plan and the portion which related to parks and recreation was con-
sidered, the Development Services staff had leaned considerably on what the new Citizens
Committee developed in 1968, wherein the requirement~ for parks and recreation were
brought up to date ftom 1959, and extended this toward the future; that tL~e committee
had also uaed considerable information given by the Development Services Department
staff in terms of population needs, etc.; that the General Plan as now presented was
geared to be flexible as fax as parks and recreation was concerned in the amount of
acreage since some atandards had been set up in this new Plan which would allow for
flexibility when density became greater and projected at the time which was built
into the Plan - therefore, from this they would know where the increase in population
was expected, and where an increase in parklands was needed. Furthermore, they were
very pleased with the docnment as developed, and they had participated in it as a total
department and were looking forward to full adoption by the City since this would be a
great fielp to the Parks and Recreation Department in their long-range planning, not
only for the development of parks within the City itself, but for the canyon area.
Mr. Orsborn then introduced Fire Chief Edward Stringer, who he stated obviously had a
great stake in the community since with property being developed, fires could become
fewer and the Fire Department could increase.
Mr. Stringer appeared before the Co~mniasion and stated that planning was wonderful and ~
very essential to the Fire Department in terms of what was being developed and where it
was being developed - whether commercial, residential, or industrial; that in the past, ;
development had been scatCered all over Che City, which gave the Fir~ Department con- 1
siderable trouble; that the P1~n helped them determine the number of fire stations, '
what type of equipment, where t~ locate the fire stations, and also had a bearing on ~
the fire zone rate as to the type of construction that should be in a zone - therefore,
if the General Plan were adopted, it would be a great asset to the entire community. ~
Mr. Orsborn then noted it waen't sufficient that the staff had solicited the help of
the department heads and others present at the public h~~aring, the Public Information
Office was enlisted and would present a most outstanding presentation of the General
'lan, and then introduced Bud Nagel and his assistant, Ken Clements of the Public
:nformation Office.
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Mr. Nagel noted that-several weeks ago Mr. Orsborn had asked thEm to present a slide
-,presentation of the General Plan; that they had had doubts as to what to present -
something that could be dramatic, something that would hold the interest of everyone
in the General Pl~n. However, the more he and Mr~ Clements delved into the possibilities
of the General Plan, the more they learned that planning had a great deal of drama, and
that planning, in fact, was very important to the history of civilization; therefore, his
presentation on slides ~vas the result and was entitled "Anaheim General Plan - Si.nce the
Dawn'~ e
Mr. Nagel, in summing up the Anaheim General Plan, noted that a General Plan should be
restrictive but flexible, and it was most important to use one of our most important
resources, which was imagination,.
Assistant Development Services Director Ronald Thompson advised the Commission that the
presentation made by the Public Information Office was also the staff's presentati~n;
that the basic factor before the Commission was consideration of the Housing, Commercial,
and Induatrial Elements and the various segments of the Public Facilities Element had been
presented; however, none were complete - therefore, consideration by the Commission of
the Public Facilities Element would have to b~ continued to a later date since although
the documentation was complete for all but the Utilities segment, none had been reviewed
with department heads.
Commissioner Camp inquired as to the percentage factor of deviation and the type of
flexibility which was being built into the Public Facilities Element that could accommodate
a possible substantial change from that projected on the General Plan.
Mr. Thompson noted that 15% of the land west of the Santa Ana River remained to be devel-
oped, and this part oE the City had ample facilities; that as far as Planning Area "B"
was concerned, which encompassed primarily the Hill and Canyon Area, it was hoped to
maintain the balance to which the report referred, and this could be anticipatec~ by a
periodic review of the development of this area which would reflect any substantial
changes and could be mesr,ed into the Plan, thus making the General Plan a working document,
Commissioner Gauer inquired whether all new electrical facilities, especially in the
residential areas, were projected to be placed underground.
Mr. Thompson noted that the staff had been working with the Public Utilities Department
relative to this; that one segment of the Public Facilities Element, namely the parks
and recreation and open space segment had been submitted to the Commission with the
Housing, Commercial, and Industrial Elements; that the Circulation Element, fire station,
library, storm drain and sewer, together with the general background of the public
facilities reports would be submitted to the Commission after the public hearing, and
it was hoped these would be reniewed by the department heads prior to '~~e next Planning
Commission public hearing,
Commissioner Rowland inquired whether or not the Circulation Element was up to date;
whereupon Mr. Thompson noted that this element had been updated constantly.
Mr. Thompson further noted that the Plan, by incorporating a comprehensive statement
in the Public Facilities Element~ would assist the new Commissioners, new City Councilmen,
and many newcomera to the City to apprise them of the current City policy which they
could relate to their needs, both as to private and public facilities; that this would
also relate to the County and would assist them in coordinating their plans since it
would reflect the City's policiea regarding streets, storm drains, etc., and that hope-
fully this would provide for better coordinating and better planning.
Miss Margaret Krpyn inquired whether or not the Planning Commission was proposing to
develop all vacanC land and made no provisions for establishing agricultural facilities
within the confines of the City.
Mr. Orsborn, in response, stated that all the land might not be covered with structures
since there would be areas of parks and open space, but it was feasible in the future
that both Areas "A" and "B" would be developed.
Miss Krpyn further inquired whether the City encouraged agricultural uses at all within
the confines of the two planning areas.
Mr. Orsborn noted that agricultural uses had been the backbone of the City in the past -
however, the goals and ob~ectives of the City were no longer directly related to agri-
culCural but to industrial and cammercial development, but this did not mean agrici~ltural
uses would not continue since there were areas which could not be developed £or residen-
tial, commercial, or indusCrial purposes, and, therefore, would be retained for agricul-
tural purposes.
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Miss.Krpyn `then.inquired whether or not the City felt it was necessary to have the vacant
properties completely developed.and filled with people.
Mr. Orsborn responded that he did not think this would be a possibility - as he had
pointed out previously, as a co~nunity developed, it was essential that al.l those thinga
related to the growth be-given proper consideration in advance of that development so
that the public health aspects could be considered along with the ability to provide
fire and sewer p:Lrvicea, etc. since this was all part and parcel of the program of
development.
•Miss Krpyn then inquired whether the City had a smog division or system.
Mro Orsborn stated that within the City there ~vas not one, but the County of Orange and
the County of Los Angeles had departments governing these, and regulations had been
established requiring the use of devices to supress smog; although these had not been
successful up to the present time, it was hoped that in the future this could be
accomplished.
The Commisaion Secretary read a letter from the Board of Realtors expressing their
approval of the proposed General Plan as well as expressing the hope that the General
Plan would not be so inflexible that deviations would not be acceptable.
Chairman Allred noted that generally it was hoped that the Plan adopted would be adhered
to - however, this did not mean one could not deviate from the Plan as adopted. Further-
more, in response to Mias Krpyn's queation, it was the Commission's hope that many areas
in the City would be in open area, and he, for one, hoped the river area would be devel-
oped into a park and recreation area and would be sorely needed when the population
reached 300,000.
Mr. Orsborn noted that during the program of development oF the General Plan, the staff
had held many meetings which were open to the public, and at work sessions with. the Board
of Realtors and the Chamber of Coimnerce theae meetings were well attended, and it was his
hope the Com~isaion did not seem offended at the small turnout as being an indication
that the public was not interested.
Mr. Thompson again noted for the Commistion that the various segments of the Public
Facilities Element would have to be reviewed and should be perused by the Commission,
to be considered at the meeting of May 5, 1969, since these segments of the Public
Facilities Element would assist the Commiasion in reaching future decisions on zoninR
applications for a change in land u~e. Furthermore, if the Commissioa were of the oFinion
that the Housing, Co~nercial, and Industrial Elements were ready for adoption, they could
be forwarded to the City Council.
Mr. Thompaon, in response to Commission questioning relative to adopting the entire
General Plan, noted that although the parks and recreation and open space segment of
the Public Facilitiea Element had been submitted to the Commission, there were amendments
to it based on information from the Parks and Recreation Director, and that the others
had not been submitted to various department heads for review - therefore, the entire
General Plan could not be adopted at this time,
Commissioner Rowland noted that the Parks and Recreation Commission had not reviewed
the parks and recreation and open space segment of the Public Facilities Element which
the Commission had seen - therefore, this portion could not be adopted until that
commission had reviewed it.
Mr. Thompson, in response to further Commission questtoning, stated that the documents
submitted, which included the parka and recreation and open space, Circulation Element,
fire stations, libraries,:storm drains, and sewers, did not complete the package as far
as it represented the General Plan since the utilieies section would not be ready for at
least four weeks; however, in the Utility Depa-tment's consideration, underground facili-
ties would be included and would be considered as a policy of the City.
Commissioncr Gauer offered Resolution No. PC69-93 and moved for its passage and adoption,
seconded by Commissioner Herbst, to adopt the Housing, Commercial, and Industrial Elements
of the Anaheim General Plan-1969 as presented at work sessions and public hearing and
further recommending the adoption of these elements by the City Council which shall be
heard in conjunction with the Public Facilities Element. (See Resolution Book)
On roll ca.ll the foregoing resolution was passed by the following vote:
AYES; COMMISSIONERS: Camp, Farar.o, Gauer, Herbst, Rowlund, Thom, Allred.
NOES: COMMISSIONERS: None.
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS; None.
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Commissioner Herbat, in commenting on a statement made in the letter from the Board
of Realtors, noted that the Cotmniasion would welcome any suggestion of an interim use
for the properEies in the industrial area which would be compatible with industry in
order that prospective.industriea might be assured that the City was continuing to
grow and would permit only compatible uses and were.not regressing - however, a use
which involved,some form of residential use adjacent to industrial use was conaidered
one of the outatanding incompatible uses.
Commiesioner Thom noted that the documentation presented to the Commisaion as he reviewed
it presented a very acceptable, overall General Plan. However, as a new Commissioner,
he was very concerned,as to consideration of interim uses of industrial land, and,'there-
fore, he would watch with great interest this particular phase, but his main interest
would be the Commercial Element and the revitalization of the Center City Area.
Chairman Allred expressed his appreciation to the Development Services Department for
their time, work, arid efforts in preparing the General Plan documentation since he was
fully aware of the many honrs of work that had gone into the documentation as presented
to the Commission, based on the many hours the Commission had spent in reviewing it at
work sessions as well as at public hearing; that the Commission was fully cognizant of
the fact that this type of documentation was not something that could hap~,en overnight,
and he wished to personally express h.is sincere appreciation.
Mr. Thompson advised the Commiasion that it might be in order to continue consideration
of the Public Facilities Element to the meeting of May 5, 1969, and this would allow
time for the staff to review these various segments with the department heads and also
allow time for the Commiasion to review the documentation.
Commissioner Rowland offered a motion to continue consideration of the Public Facilities
Element of the Anaheim General Plan-1969 to the meeting of May 5, 1969. Commissioner
Thom seconded the motion. MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Rowland, noting that one of Miss Krpyn's questions seemed to be not completely
answered, stated that the propoaed density for the community and its ultimate development
would take approximately fifty years - therefore, immediate urbanization of the many acres
of lald under the City's juriediction and projections as appeared in Planning Area "B"
would noE talce place, and they tbould still bs primarily in agricultural use.
Mr. Thompson noted that the projections of the General Plan indicated it would take
approximately fifty years to develop to the County line, but by 1990, if development
continued at the rapid pace it had in the past, the saturation point might be reached -
however, Planning Area "B" was only 44% developed at the present time.
Commissioner Rowland noted that the relative density at saturation would be 8,000 persons
per square mile, and for comparison purposes, the most populous city in the United States,
New York, had 40,000 persons per square mile, or more than four times that which was
being projected for the City of Anaheim. Fur:hermore, in the matter of health, in this
more congeated atmosphere, the City would attempt to control this by development standards
which accompanied the zoning aids, and said standards governed space between structures,
amount af land coverage, light, air and ventilation, and these areas were considered under
the General Plan in a rather broad term since specific planning was done by means of
zoning petitions and actions.
Adiournment
---_._ - Commiasioner Gauer offered a motion to adjourn the meeting.
Commissioner Thom seconded the motion. MOTION CARRIED.
The meeting adjourned at 8:40 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Anaheim City Planning Cocmnission
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