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Minutes-PC 1978/05/22~, ~ C i ty Ne 1 1 Anahetm~ Caltfornin May 22~ 197~ REGULAR M~f T I!~C OF TNE AN~4HE I M C I TV PLANtI I NG COMMI SS I ON ~_ REGULAR - The regular m~:ettng of the Anehelm C(ty Plenning Commisslon was c~lled to MEETING order by ChAlrman Tolar at 1:30 P.m.~ -'bY 22~ 1~f7£~ tn the Cauncil Chamber~ ~ quorum being present. PRCSE~~T - CH/11RMI1N; Tolar COMMISSIONERS; Davld~ Ne~bst~ ,Johnson~ King Commissiuner Lirin srrivuJ at 3:0~ p.m, Cormils~l~ner flarne3 +~rrived at ~-:10 p.m, ALSO PkCSE:t~T - Jack White Qeputy City Attorney Jay Ti[us Office Engfn~cr Jamcs Kawemura Traffic Englneertng Assistanc llnnike Santalahti Asststant Director for Zoning Jay Tashlro Assuciate Plann~r Edtth t~srris Planning Commission Secretaiy PLEDGE OF - The Pledye of Allegiance to ttie Fiag was l~d by Commisslc~ner David. ALLEGIANCE ITEM N0. 4 PUOLIC t1EARIN~. ON!IERS: ROBERT A. At~D ROSEMARIE ~,G~RIGAL EXEMPTION-CLASS 11 SMITt~~ 13729 Rosecrans~ S~nta Fe Springs, .n 90670. N. 3p AGENT: ANOS JOHfISTONL ~ 1 140 West 1lampshi r_~ ~"- Anahetm~ CA 92302. Petttioner requests WHIVER OF (Aj PERMITTEp LOCATI4~1 OF FREE•STANOfNG SIGN, (B) MAXIMUN HEIGHT OF FREE-STANDII~G S1GN. AND (C) MAXIMUM AREA OF I~REE-5'f,~N01NG SIGN. TO CONSTRUCT A FREE-SYANUI~IG SIGN on pr4perty deecr(bed as ~ rectangul~rly-shaped ~arcel of land consisting of approximately 4.2 acres having approximate frontages of 317 feet on the souCh slde of Winston Q~ad and 155 feet o~ the w~3t side of Sunkist Street. Prope~ty presently class~f(ed ML (It~DUSTRIAL, LIMITEp) ZONE. it r+as noted the petitioner has reyuested thfs item be continued for two w~eeks In order to reduce the ~umber of waivers and to submit revised plans. ACTION: Go+nmissioner King ~ffered a motton~ seconded by Cortimissioner David and MOTIOy ~t EO (Commissioners Ba~nes and Linn being absent), that constderation of Variance No. 3013 be continued Co the regular n~eeting of the Flanning Commission on June 5, 1975, at the ~equest of the petitioner. 18-374 5/22/78 ' ~~ ~ ; . ? MIl~UTES~ ANAHEIM CITY PLANNING CQMMISS ION~ MAY 22~ 19]B 78-375 ITEt1 N0. 1 REAUVERTISEu PUBLIC NEARING. 04R~ER: F~~LRATED ~~A'r •~.~RICAL EXEMPT~OtI-CLASS ` UEPARTMCNT STOAC5 ~ INC. ~ P. 0. Box S~i14~, Los _ ON . - y~ Angeles, CA 70Ari~. AGE11T: C. J. QUCYREI, P. 0. Box ~66n~ Anal~eim~ CA 92803. Potitlonor requests ap~~rovel of altarnate commerciol uses on property described as an Irreyulorly-sl~oped p~rcel of land Gonsistfng af ap~raxtn.~tely 4,0 acres locsted at the soutliwest cornor of l.tncoln Avenue and Su~ktst Str~et~ having approximete f ro~tac~es of 630 feet on the south s t de of L) nco I n Avonue and 220 feet on the west s I dc of Sunkis~ Street. Property presontly classlfled CL (LUMMEaCIAI.~ LIMITED) ZONE. Thare were two pers~ns indicatiny their prosence in upposition to subJect reque~t~ and althougl~ the staff report to tl~e Planning Cammisslon datcd Msy 22. 1~78 was not read at th~ publlc heariny~ I[ (s raferr~d to a~J maJr. a parl uf ~i~e n-ir~utes. Ga) Qucyr~l~ llnacal Enginccring~ representing Rslph's Ma,-kets~ was ~resent to answer any quostions _ Pet blumb~ry~ 21+;3 East Pavl~etan Street, inJicated she ciid not understan<i why Federated Qepartmenz Stores~ Inc. fecls it Is necessa~y to add on a grou~ of unneeded and out-of- ploce sto~os. She reod a quotc from the m(nutes of tfie origtnat request as follows: "In Additfon to che supermarket~ tl~ey were proposinq enott~er separ~t~ hutlciing near the northeast corner of the property whlch .+ould be for a finAncial i~stitutton; that they were not requcsting approval of tI~P corncr bu(ldinq to be use~l for shops or food take-out~ but strietly for a banking fac(lity; that tl~e locat~on ~~f the banking facility he(ng close to a ma~or intersection was to ~ore co~vei~iently scrvlce the residents in tlie area." She pointed out th~+t kraff(c at ti~fs r.orner has trtpled sincc Ralph's Market opened, She s tated that ` ruck de 1 i very was supposed to be 1 1 mi ted to L i nco I n Avenue ~ but that those entrar•~•_~ ;,a ~ ~-'n are almost imrossibie to yet (nto wtthout backtng up trafflc, so the Sunkist 5 treet e:. • rance is used for truck del ivcries and by cusiomers~ and that the noi se level and conge~tian are terrible at the present ttme. She dld not feel t~~ere would be adequate parking spaces Co accommodate thts type of shc~pp3ng eenter. She ~o(nted out ct-ere are a lot of centers i~ the area that are dying aut and f~lt there was no Justifitation for these addltianol stores. She esked if thts would re~ulre additional lighting; that at the present tlme the 1 ights remain on unti 1 12:30 a.m. and th~ store closos at 10:U0 p.m.; that sl~c had written to the manager of the Ralph's Market concerning the 1 ighting. but had not received a reply, She i r,d i eated she was concerned about the poss 1 b i I i ty of hav 1 ng a record or tape s tore and wondere~ ~hy it was needed since tf~ere arr. others in tfie area. She indicated she had heard thi s particular shop sells p~raphernal ia for using and stnring drugs and was concer~ed that (t woulJ attract this type ~f customer, and wauld be only 92 feet from her property and she cannat affnrd ta move. She felt thls proJect would cause a decrease in the value of hen c~,use and thls p~operty owner w~uld be making money while her house value was dropp i ng. Sfie fe 1 t because of the cons I de rab 1 e t raf f i c and noi ~e i mpact ~ and s i nce these shops a fe unnecessary~ these five additional busincsses should be eliminated from the plans. She referred to vartous businesse: in the area~ such as antique shops~ real estate offices, record end tape shops~ lnsurance ayencies~ palnt and walipaper stores~ barbsr shops. etc.. which would indica~e these proposed shops are not needed in the area. 5/22/ i 8 ~ MINUTES~ ANAHEIM CITY PIANNING COMM1 SSION~ MAY 22~ 1978 78-376 E I a CATEGOR I CAL EXEMPT I ON-CLASS 5 AND AECLASS I F ICATI ON N0. 74- 75-26 (cont 1 nued) ~..- - She presented plcturos to the Plaiinin~ Cornmisslon of the entra~ncss off Lincoln Avenue~ shawing the trefflc backsd up,and pictures ~f tt;e property to be used And the parktng lot~ and aiso e picture of ha~ fn~ this p ~oJect would be from her b ack wall. She polnted out agai~ that since traffic off Lincoln Is Imposstble~ ~eople us~ Sunkist~ which is right b~hind her house. Bob Carter~ 2433 East L(nc~ln Avenue, Anahelm~ indtcated he 1 ives across the street to the nortl~ and stated averytl~ing the prcvious speakcr hed said was true; that the traffic Is terrible. Ne Indicated he had brought plcf.ures takon from the roof of lils h~use of the parking lot whlch (s el ready ful I wi thout ony addi tlonal struetures . Ne polnted out that truck deliveries are beiny made at the hours as ind(cated by Mrs. Blumberg; tl~at he had gotten dressed many times before tt~e s~n c~me up and had g~ne acros~ the strQet to complain; and th~~t even tt~ough the manor~er of Ralph~s had indicecc~d this would be taknn care of~ the next day anather truck would be coming tn. tie polnted out the traffic off l l o~col n Avenue somet t mes backs up th rae or four cars deep and he ha d photographs to sliow thls. Ha indlcated these plctures werc not taken on any special day. Ile pointed out if tha policc records ars revi~wve~J~ they wlll show there is an aecident every day on th(S corner and that (t is Impossible ta get out of Ralph's parking lot anto Lincoln without waiting. Ne i ndl cated hr 1 1 v~s 1 n a 17~0-sq ua re foot res i den t i a 1 hcuse and these ere n i ce houses ~ and that Ralph's was opened to benef it tha area~ wt~ich wAS nF ee since [hey da need a place ta buy food~ l~ut that thcy cb no~ t~avc to listen to records and tapes al) day and pointed out therG would be a lot of young people In and out af the arca w( th a record or tape shop. Ilc s tated he was not aga i ns t bus I ness and be 1 I eved bus i nes se s shou 1 d have r i ghts . but not when those rigfits infringe on lils rights; ttiat the residPntial area was therN ftrst~ and askcJ the Plannin~ Commisslon not to d~stroy the whote arca anyrnc~re by allawing furthsr devclop~nent on this cc~rncr. Mr. Queyrel stated the lady's concerns regarding a food outlet stvre was unfou~ded s(n~e there are none listed as proposed uses. Concer~ing the parki ng whi ch was mentioned as a problem~ he lndicoted par{:ing is prov(d~d according to code and that additional parking will be provided for the additional 9100 square fcet, and they W@fC not asking for a variance for perking. He pointed out there is a 2~-foot landscaped strip between the parking and her property line w(th heavy shrubbery~ and he di d not belleve she would be able to see the bu( lding from her house. Concerning the noi se level , he indicated that regardl~:ss of what goes into thls property there wi l l be an i ncrease in traffic~ but he felt the overzll Increase caused by this developme+-~t ...,mpared w(th the overall traffic on lincoln and ~unkist would be minlmal. Regarding the concern of the record and tap~ shop~ he i~dicated he would have tiu authority to delete that from the p~oposed uses; that there are a lot of good record shaps and thl s one wou 1 d nc~t be re i ated to drug uses . He po i nted out there are 12 proposed uses~ but that only five would go into the center. He indicated they would have edequate parkiny and landscaping and that this would be a nice bui iding; that he did no; heve the plans~ but he did have some plctures of the center across from Anahetm Niqh School and it wou1~1 be similar to that and would be compa~tible with anythtng (n the arsa. Ne indicated they had tried for two years to generate som~: i~terest in a ftnancial institution on this corner. but that so far there has been ~o interest because of the proximity to Fullerton Savings end loan. TI~E PUDLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. si22i~a MINUTES~ ANAHEIM CITY P LANNING COMMISSION, Ml1Y 22, 197$ 78~377 EIR CATCGORI~AL EXEMPTION-CLASS 5 AND RECLASSIFICATION N0. 74-7i-26 (continued) Chelrman Toler puinted out thax wl~en the Planniny Commission had itrst looked at these plans there was apprel~ension bacause of the traffic and congoation at Sunkist dnd I.incoln. Ne pointed out the pro,ject had been approvnd wlth the understanding there would be a 4000- square foot buliding on tlie nnrtheast corner~ whlch would he for one uso only~ and now thuy sro asking for several shops In sdditlon to the ffnancial Institut(o~ end he did not feel fuur or flvo ahops ~vould help to entlce a bank to the erea. Mr. Queyre) indlcated the li~t tncludes several alternatives~ one of which (s stll) a flnancial tnstltutlon~ and there Is afso hope they could 9et a prescriptton drugstore at thts location. Chai~man Tolar palnted out he recoynixed someth(ng would have to be bu(It on this co~ne~~ but tha~t he wes concerned about the traffic and he did nnt think he would go along with an Increase (n square footage frvm the orlginal rec~uest; in fact. he was thtnking maybe th~e square footage should b e reduced. No indlcated the Plann(ngCommission can see the mistakes they make and~ unfortunate~y. he felt they had impa~cced thls co r~er as heavtly ss it could be Impacted and tie would question the need far more shops In this area slnce there is alr~ady a tr~n~end~us amr.~unt of c~nxnerc.lal development (n thls area. Commissioner Johns~n in dicated he agrecd witt~ Chalrman Tolar and thcre was one more fact he felt the Conrnlssion should conside~, that tlie market people felt they had mtscalculated when they thought they cauld put a financial insrltution (n this lotAtion, a~~d that Is th~ way it was brought to the Planning Commission~ and n~ they have determined they cannot get any tenants For it and it is unfair to put the burden of thelr error on the neighbors. He Ind(cated he dld not feel he would want to expand [he proJect. but if they wanted to reduce the size nf the building or redesign it~ he would be happy to go along with that. Ile indicated he realised you cannot stop progress, but he did not remember a prescription drugstore beiny In the original proposal. Chairman Tolar pc~(nted out he remembered r.he original proposal was specifically for e savings and loan or a b ank. Mr. Queyrel pointed out the petitioner had been back to the Planning Commission about a year a~d a half ago with a list of uses and was asked to come back wlch more specific uses . Annika Santalahti, Assistant Direct~r for Zoning~ pointed out the Planning Comm(ssion had felt a public I~earing would be required in order for alternate uses to be considered. Commissioner Herbst as ked for ~larificatian regardl~g the zaning for commercial uses and asked if the Planning Commission couid tie specific uses to thls zone an d what power did they have to control specific uses. Jack White~ Deputy City Attorney, pointed aut this reclessific3tlon was originally approved with Gercain ~estrlctions on the uses as stipulated to by tne applicant and was approved on that basts; thet generally the f,ity does not have the power to limit uses and once the proper:y is rezoned~ the uses for that particular zone are allowed~ but that thls appltcation was represented as being for certain uses and the reclassification was approved based on those uses. He indicated he was not saying this was a misreprese~~tation and was probably don~ in good faith~ but tirr~s had dictated somethina ~lse. Chairman Tolar indicated he had supported Kalph's Market going into this loeatian and the additionai building an d he wss setisfted there would nat be that much traffic with a 5/22/78 MINUTES. ANAIiEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 1978 7~~371 EIR CATEGORICAL EX~MPTION-CLAS~ 5 ANn RECLASSIFICATION N0. 74-75-26 (cnntinued) Chairman Toler polnted out tlia when the Planniny Comrrtisslon had first lookcd at thesa plans ther~ wes apprehonsion beceuse of the treffic and congastlon at Sunklst and lincoln. He polnted out the proJect hed been approved with the understending there would be a 40Q0- square foot building on tl~e northeast corner~ which would t~e for one use on1Y~ and now they are askin~ for several shops in additlon to the financi~l tnst(tution and he dfd not feel four or five shops would help to entice a bank to the area. Mr. Queyrel tndicatc:d the 1(st i~cludes several elternativ~s~ one of which is stlll a financial tnstitution~ and tt~ere is also hope they could get ~ prescrtption dru~store at tt~is locetion. Chalrman Tolar po(nt~d out he recoynizPd something would have to ~ie bu(lt on this corner~ but thet he was concerned about the trairic and he dtd not think he would go along wtth aii increr+se in square footege frum the ortginal request; tn fact~ he was tliinkiny meybe the square footage should be redur;cd. tie indicated the Planning Commisslon can see the mtstakes they make and~ unfortunately~ he fslt they had impacted thls corne~ as heavtly as it could bc ImpacteJ and tie wauld question the need for more shops tn this area since there i~ already a tren~endous amo.~nt of commercial devrlopmenL in this area. Commissloner Johnson tndicated he ayreed with Chetrman Tolar and there was one mor~ fect he felt tlie Cornmtsslon should consider~ that tlie market people felt they had miscalculated when they thought they could put a ftnancial institutt~n in th(s location~ and that Is the way it was brought to the Planntng Commission, and ~~ they have determined they tennot get any tenants for it and it is unfair to put the burden of their e~ror on the naighbvrs. He indicated he d(d not feel he aioulJ want to expand the proJect, but if they wanted to reduce thF size of the building or redesign (t. he would be happy to ~o along with that. Ife indicated he rcalized you cannot stop pragress, but he did not remember a prescr(ption drugstore being in thr, ar(yinal propasal. Chalrman Tolar polnted out he remembcred the orlginal proposal was spcclfically for a savings and loan or a benk. Mr. Queyrel pointed out the petittoner had been back t~~ the Plan~ing Comnisslon about a year and a half ago with a list of us~es and was esked to come back with more specific uses . Annika Santalohti, Assistant Director for 2ontng~ potnted out the PlanRing Comnission iiad felt a publi~ f~eariny would be ~equired in arder for alternete uses to be cansidered. Ccxnmtssioner Herbst asked for clarification regarding the zonin9 for commerctal uses and asked if the Planr,ing Gommission could tle specific uses to this zane and what powe~ did they have to control specific uses. Jack Whita~ qeputy City Attorney, pointed out this reclassification was originally appr~ved with certain restrictions on the uses as stipulated to by the applicant and was approved on that basis; that generally th~e City does not hav~ the power to ltmit uses and once the property is rezoned~ the uses fnr thar, particular zone are allowed~ but that this epplication was represented as being for certain uses end the reciassification was approved basad an those uses. He indicated he was not saying ttiis was a misrepresentation and wa:, probably done in good faithr but ttmes had dictated something else. Chairman Tolar indicated he had supported Ralph's M~rket going into this location and the additional building and he was satisfied there would not be that much t•°ftc with a 5/22/78 ~ ~ MINU7ES~ MIAHEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 1978 78-37II EIR CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION-CLASS S AND RECLASSIFICATION N0. 7~f-75-26 (continued) financi~l institutlon~ but that this propozal var(es a great deal from tl~e orlginal proposal. Ha did not fee) tha Planning Commtssion should burden the area further with an Additlonal 5A00 squaro feet of addltiona) shop space. Mr. Quoyre) ~sked lf a traffic report had been submitted from the T-•afflc ~epartment and lndicated if they had re~ltzed there was a problem concerning tlie traffic~ they would hAVe furnished thelr own traffic stetistlcs. Jlm Kawamura~ Assistant Trafflc Engineer~ polnted out thetr stuJles are limited in this a~ea~ but that these types of small shops riould n~[ creatc a tremendous amount of traffic in terms of vehtcle trips per day; that mose of the trAfflc is yener~ted by the extsting supermarket, He s[ated the averaye for a~uperm~r~:ct Is 125 vn_fiiclc trips per average weekday per 1000 gross square feek~ but that he suspected in tl~i~ case It w~s much higher than that. lic po(nte~ ~uc Llnc.oli~ Av~nue at this intersection in 1976 carried approxlmately 26~04~ vahiclcs per day and that Sunkist carried appraxirn~-tely 1~~000 vehicles per day or a total of 45~QA0 vehicles per d~~y at that one intersection~ which is considorabiy higher than the typlcal area where residenti~l and cammerclal uses are mlxed. He polnted out a financlal instftution would generate ~+b0 vehlcle trlps per day and e drugstorc would yencratc 6-4 vehlcle trips per day per 1400 square feec. N~ pointad out the signai contral at this Intersectlon ls somewhat obsolete and would be modified~ but (t could be two or three years away. He pointed out that tr~fflc gencrated from many other uses~ such as drive-In restaurants, small medical offices~ etc.~ would probably be heavier then the smaller shops as nroposeJ. Commisstoner King indlcatcsd lie felt fram lc~oking at the list thaL these prop~sed uses would not yenerate the type of traffic which Nauld cause a l~ig tncrease. Commissioner Herbst Indicated he felt thc Commission was looking primarily at the increase In the amount af square footage Involved over the original uses In the reclassification. He felt that if the petitioner had presented this devel~pment with the shops ~n the corner he would not have voted for the project; hc d(d not feel the property should be expanded because of the Impact on the corner and on the restdences behind the area, Commissioner I~erbst painted out that every time there is a public heartng on this particular piece ~f p~operty~ the neighbors complain about the noise~ truck d~eliveries~ hours of lighting, and cleaning of the parking lot. He felt the Cammisslon should make Ralph's llve up to the conditions of the original permit and felt Ralph's was not being fsi~ to the people who live there. Comnissione~r King indicated it was probably difficult for trucks to get into the loading ramp and that was probably the reason why they were using the south snd f~r unlouding. Commissioner Ilerbst felt if that is the problem~ then it would be up to Ralph's to correct the problem. Commissioner King pointed out he felt if Anaheim is to grow, obviously there will be an increase in trafflc and that ta stop the traffic wou~d be stopping the growtti of Anahetm. Chairman Tolar pointed out the matn obJectlve nf the Planning Commission is to look at the land uses, and he felt this use would impact an alre~dy bad situation and is not needed in this area at this time. He felt Federated Qepartment Stores, In~. should t~y to establish a better relationship with the neighbo~s by adh~ring to tlieir suggestions regarding 5/22/78 MINUTES. ANAHEIM CITY PLANNING CQhWISSION~ Mp-Y 2?.r 1~7a 7a~379 EIR CATCGORICl1l EXEMPTION-CLASS 5 At~O RECLASSIFICATION NQ. 74-7S~z6 (co~ti~ued) xraffic and nolse~ and he could not support impactt~g :he a~ee anymare than It ls alreeciy Impected. Mr. CArta~ pointed out the traffic probl~ms were startod when tho City widened lincoln Avenue and tha employees had started psrking on Lincoln; that after he hed complained~ R~Iph's had requested them to perk on thoir lot~ but th~t he felt more commercia) development in thc area wauld ceuse employee~ and customars to per~k an the street and felt overcrewding that corner across the st~cet wauld only add to tho pa~kiny situat(on. Commissioner lierbst indlcaced I~e wes not in favor of expanding the square footage~ but tl~at he would be In favor o~ allowiny cartaln uses In the origina) 40~0 square feet~ and asked Jack White tt the Planning Cortmisslon could speCify uses that rould be Allow~d In tiie orlginal 4000 square feet. Jack Whltp painted out th~ Planning Cortxnissl~n could llmit them to the use of the 400~ square feet. but If they wentPd to be specific on the uses~ the petitloner would have to raapply. Chalrman Tol~r askeJ Mr. Queyrel if he had any speclflc user's~ ~nd Mr. Queyrel repl(ed he would have to confcr with the pet(tioner in order to give any answer and would ltke to have a four-week contlnuanGe. He (ndicated he would have to confer with Ralph's about the orlginal 4Q00 ~quare feet. Chairman Tolar potnted out he would lik.e Mr. Queyrel to discuss the uses fo~ the orlglnal 4oo~~square fooC structure proposed witt~ Ralph's representatives and he would ilke him to speak with them abaut the complal~ts r~ceived concerning truck deliveries and nalses. ACTION: Commissloner King offered a motion~ seconcied by Commissloner Johnson and MOTI011 ARRIEO (Commissloners aarnes and Llnn being absent). that conslderation of the aforementlonad item be continued to thc reguiar meetinc~ of the Anaheirt~ Gity Planning Commission of June 19~ 1973 (n order for the petitianer to present a revised proposal. Chairnnan Tolar pointed out to thosa persons present in opposition that there w~uld be no further notice of the Junc 19th meeting. 17EM t10. 2 PUBLIC I~EARING. OWNER: MAURICE PINTO. P. 0. Box EIR~NEGiAYIVE UECLARATIOII 3~+21. Anaheim~ CA 92803. AGENT: GREGORY L. PARKIN~ N . -78-5~ 250~ West Orangethorpe Avenue~ Suite U. Fullerton~ CA 92633• Petittoner requests reclassificatiort oF property described as a rectangulariy-sha~ed parcel of land consisting of approximat~ly 0.4 acre having a frontage of approximately 75 feet Qn the south side of Vermont Street~ having a maximum depth of approximately 218 faet~ bein~ located approximetety 162 feet east of the ce~terl(ne of Harbor Boulevard, and further described as 410 WGSt Vermont Strcet, from the RS-7200 (RESIDENTIAL~ SINGLE-FAMIIY) ZONc to the CL (COMMERCIAL, LIMITED) ZONE. There was no one indicating their presence in opp~sition to subject request. and although the staff report to the Planning Commission dated May 22, 1978 was not read at the publlc heartng, it is referred to and made a part of the minutes. 5/22/78 ~~ : ~ MII~UTES ~ At~Af1E! M CI TY PLANNI NG COMMI SS IOH ~ MAY 22 ~ 1978 1~'3~~ €IFt NEGATIVE DECLARA710N I1ND RECLA5SIFICATION N0. 77-78-59 (continued) Gregory L. Parkin~ agent. polnted out approximetely 7; feet of sut~,je+ct ~roperty borders Narbor tloulnvard and is zoned cnmmercial and Farms an "L" shape~ wlth che other pert of the property borderiny on Vermont 5treet zoned residential. I~e pointed out the proparty borders a servtce station on the cornAr of Vormont and Narbor and essentlally the change to the charecter of the nelghborhood woutd be removrl of tha exi~ting building and making e parking lot contalniny 4A spaces. He Indicated one spot had been deleted and the trash contalnera moved and uso of the property would be a rt-ettress displey and sales facility and also f(replace and outdoor barbecue displays. He tndiceted th~ present parkfng situation Is dltficult and I~azerdous; that ther~: is a 2~-foot driveway on the south s(de of the building with the parkiny area in the back~ enJ thot the parking Is inadequete. Ile indlceted he had telked wlth Mr, Potts~ thP g~ntlPmAn wlu, IivPs directly across the street~ and hed explained lhe plans to him fior ramovel of the old house and the parktnc~ lot constructlon. lie stated Nr. Potts had (ndtcAttd he woulr, have no obJectl~ns to the plans. T11E PUBLIC ~IEARING WAS CL05ED. Choirmen Tc~lar indicated he ciid not feel this use would be detrimental to the resldentiai area~ but was concerned that Vermont is only 5G feet wide and the~e Is a lot of residantial trafftc on Vermont and wondered tf the proJect would be Just as good without the drivESway a~ Verrta~t. Mr. Parkin indlcated the trash trucks would have to t~ack out onto Narbor~ which would be dangerous. He stated tliey were trying to cure e lot of pr~blems and the trash trucks and othcr vehictes would not really pass In front of any resi~Sential area except Mr. Pott's r~sldence. Cortimissloner tlerbst asked if the Traffic Engineer had any pr~blems with the t~afftc dumping o~to Vermont~ and Jay Tashiro~ Associate Planncr' pointed out there dld not seem to be any problem about Lhe access on Vermoni. Commissioner Kino asked about the wall on the south property line and potnted out ttiere is greenery pla~ted there end a ch~inlink fence~ and asked why a 6-foat high wall would be necessary. Jay Tast~iro replied it i5 one of the requirem~nts for corm~ercial property adJstent to restdential. Jack White, Deputy City Attorney~ pointed out the wall is e code requlrement and to delete the wali would re~uire a variance, lie pointed out the applicant could request that the rondition be deleted ot a latar date. ACTION: Commissioner Ktng offered a motion, seconded by Comnissioner David and MOTION CARRIED (Comnfssioners Barnes end L(nn being absent), tl~at the Anaheim City Planning Commission has reviewed the proposal to retlassify the zoning from RS-7200 ~Residentlal~ Si~g~e-Family) to CL (Commercial~ !imited) on a rectangularly-shaped parcel of land consisting of approximAtely 0.4 acre having a frontage of approximately 75 ~eet on the south side of Ve rn~ont Street~ having ~ maximum depth c~f approximately 218 feet~ beEng located approximately 162 feet east ~f the cente~line of Harbor Boulevard; and does hereby approve ~~~~ Neyative Declaratton from the requiremen~ to prepare an enviranmental tmpact report on he basis that there wnuld be no sig~ificant individual or cumulative adverse environmentel impact due to the approval of this Negative Ueclaration since the An~heim General Plan designates the subJect propPrty far commercial profess(onal lend uses 5/22/78 ~~ MINUTES~ ANAFIEIM CITY PLANNIt~G GOMMISSION~ M{1Y 22~ 1g78 78-35) EIR NEGA7IVE DECLARATION AND RECLASSIFICATION N0. 77-)8-y9 (continued) tommensurate with the proposal; thae no sensitlv~~ envl~onmental impecte are Invalved In tlie propoaal; that the Initlal Study aubmlCted ~y th~ petitloner indicates no signlficent indivtdual ar cumulative adverse environmental (mpacts; and that the Negatlve Oeclaratlon substantlattng the foregoing findtngs is on filc in the Gity of Aneheim Ptanning Uepartment. Commisstoner King offered Res~~lutlon Na. PC79-105 and maved for tts pass+~ge and adoptic~n~ that thcs Anahelm C(ty Planning Commisslo~ does hereby grsnt Petitlor~ for P.eclesstflcatian No. 77-78-5`.), subjcct to the stipulation that thr property shal) be developed substantlell}~ in acco~dance with the plans as submitted~ end subJect to Iniordepartrn~ntal Commtttoe recommendations. On roll call~ the foregning rese~lution wes passed by the follc~wing vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS; DAVIU~ HERIiST~ KING~ JOFINSON~ TOLAR NQES: CONMISSIOI~EaS: NQt~E AIlSENT: COMMISSIONERS: dARNES, LINN ITCM NU. 3 PUDLIC I~E/1RING. UWNERS: JEROME A. STEWART~ ET AL, EIR NCGA IVE DECLARATIUN 715Q Fenwtck Lanc~ Westminster~ CA 92~~3. AGENT: C t. S. E. ELLIS~ i3~ll McY.inley Clrcle. Westminster~ CA 92Gt33. Petit(vner requesks ~IAIVER OF (A) REQUIRED STftUCTURAL SETHACK AND (B) MINIMUM LANUSC~IPING AOJAC~NT TO AN ARTERIAL STREET~ TO CONSYRUCT AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDIWG on property describ~d as an irregulerly-shaped parcel of land consisttng of approximately 1.1 acres located north of the intersectfan of Tustin Avenue anJ Jefferson Street~ having approx(rnnte frontages of 383 feet on the northeast side of Tustln Avenue and 2~~7 feot on the west side of Jeffer~on Street, and further described as 1180 North Tustin Avenue. Property presently classifie~ RS-A-43~000 (RESIDENTIAI./AGRIGULTURAL) ZONE wlth a resolution of intent to the Ml. (INOUSTRIAL~ LINITEO) ZONE. There was one prrson indicating their presence in opposition to subJect request, and although the steff r~port to thc Planniny Commisslo~ dated May 22, 1978 was not read at the public he~ring~ it is referred to and made a part of the minuees. Jay Tashiro, Associate Planner, pointed out one letter had been received indicating oppositlon~ and subJect letter Is on flle in the Planning ~epartment. Jay Tashiro polnted out a condition should be added requtring the owne~ to finaltze znning to commerclal; that it is aresently zoned residential/ugrtcultural with s reso'utfon of intent to industrial. Sherman Ellis~ 1331 McKlnley~ Westmt~ster~ agent~ showed an elevation af the proposed office•type build(ng fronting on Tustln Avenue, He indicated that (n 1974 Mr. Stewart had givan an easenxnt to the City of Anaheim to realign Jefferson Scrcet and to widen Tustln Avenue and wound up with a trisngular-shaped ptece of property surrounded on three sides by streets. He Indicated the curbs and yutters are in and tliat it is hfs u~derstanding tlie streets are .ieveloped to their ultimate aidth. He pointed aut the property is approximately ~ feet from the curb; that there will be a maximum amount of greenbelt~ assuming no sidewelks arc requir~d; that thsre are no sidewalks no,•th~ east or west of thi:. prop~rty and f~lt it seemed re~sonable to assume no sidewalks would be rr.qulred. He 5/22/78 3 ~ HINUTES, ANANEIM CITY PLANNINf, COMMISSION~ MAY 22, 1978 78-3H2 EIR NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND VARIANCE N0. 011 (continued) polnted out they would be huppy to landscape that area and that tf sldewalks were roquired~ It would stlll leevc about 4 or y feet of ~rea that cauld be landscaped. He indicated the pr~blem is that the building has ~o be canstructed with stralght lines and Is not very adaptsble to the shape of the propcrty~ and the best thet could be acc<xnplished would bes 17~Q~0 square feet on 1.1 acre, whlch still makes a 3y$ utllizatlon~ whRreas a normal industrial butlding would be in the vic(nity of 4;2 utilizatton. I~e indicated the bulldiny would be a high-class. ttlt-up concrete bu(Iding, He polnted out Mr. Stewart had butlt the De) Giorglo building across the street and the Century Fiberglas bullding which is just north of thts property. Ne stated thare la a resolutlan of intent an thls property to industrial and it was Just a m~i,;Cr of processing the paperwnrk which hag not bern completed. Ne pc~(nted aut tfiis fs an industrlai use nnd would be conslste~t with the IntenJed land uses fnr this property. Conterning the trash location~ he indicated they were unable to contact the Sanitation Cnglneer because of the strtke~ but that the trash locntion could be relocated as necessary; that It had been placed at tf~is location on the basis there would be no exposure to a stre~t and It would be a low-prnfile type~ landscaped erea. He polnted ouc Che crltical dimension is 30 feet from the right-of-way line rather than 5q feet and thai to put the building at a ~0-foot setback would eliminate part oF the bullding. He polnted out there Is a y0-foot setback alony Tustin Avenue. tic referred to the plan and the landscap(ng proposed, Mr. Cllis read a letter from Mr. Stewart dated May 19~ 1~73~ indlcatlnq h~ ~v~uld n~t be present at [he meeting duc to prior camnitments; that wt~en he had ar!ytnally dedicated the lar~d to the City of Anaheim fc~r the widenin,y of Jefferson and 7ustin, wtitch affetted this property along the easterly, southerly and westerly bnundartes ~ i t was hls underst~nding that the City would be leniert with regard to the ;0-foot setback and landscaping requlrements al~ny those two streets. Dianne Anders~n~ Communlty Relations Administrator for Rockwell International in Orange Caunty~ stated she had nermiss(on from Michael 5anders, Manager~ Public Relatlons b Advertlsing~ to read his letter to tl~e Planning Commisslon dated M~y 18. 1978~ as follows: "Concerning Variance No. 3012~ Rockweii International strongly urges that it be disallaweu. In our view it Is imperative to uphold the set back and land regulations of the Zoning Code. Only by standing firm on this point can the appearance of the Northeast Industrial Ofstrict be rrwde attractive Co future tenartts and to the ciients of the present tenants." Mr. Ellis indicated he ~vas quite surprised with this opposttion since Autanetics is located quit~ a distance from thts particular locAtion, lie pointed out they had been quite sensit(ve to the location of the buildings due to the curvature af the land and this will be an attractive building. He Rointed out the front is a high-cless. office-type front. He stated part of the problem is that at the time of dedication the owner had the understanding the City would be lenEent toward these requtrements, and it would be a substantial burden on the property owner to have to abide ~•~ith the requirements. Tl~E PUBLI C NEARI NG WAS CLOSED. 5/22/7$ yR' { MINUTES~ ANANEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSION~ M~Y 22~ 1978 78-383 EIR NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND VARIANCE N0. 3012 (continued) Chelrmen Tolar asked if an adJitlanal 9 feet would be landsc~ped if thc sidewelks werc wsived. 118 asked what purp~sA the sidewalks would servc in this area stnce they would be go(ng nowhe~o. Jay Titus~ Office Englnecr~ pointed out tliat If a temporary sidewalk waiver Is granted~ one of thu cond(tions Is tl~at the parlavay would be l~ndscepeci~ and po(nted out It is up to the City Engtneer to make the decislon whether ar not the sldewalks sh~uld be we(vcsd and the petitloner should contact h1m rey~rding this. Commissioncr tlerbst askcd whst uscs wcrc belny plan~cd for this complex slnce th~ units are qulte small and tl~is (s an industr(al area~ anci asked if thc partltions were flexibis. Mr. E11(s polntc,S out this (s a norrnal, industrial-typc installatian. Commissioner Herbst ask~d what a"normal" Installation refers to~ and Mr. E11(s replie~l it would be planncd for small businesses and stated there are rcStrictions an the ectlvltles which preclud~ this from beiny commerciel; that (t would be a normal use ln an Industrlal zone. Corrmissioner hlerbst felt the a~pearance indicated commercial property. He polnted out when thts size building is constructed in an Indu~trial zone~ tt tends to go corm~erclal. He polnted out mach(ne shops wo;~ld be alla~ed in an Industrla) zane and thai there are no yard areas proposed for cl~ese units for outdoor storage. and (ndicated if a load of steel was brought In to the business, therc would be no place to put tt or no way for ~arqe dellvery trucks to get t~ the property. 11e indicated the trasl~ storage area fs lacated too far eway from the butidings for industrial use, and he visws thts as a maximum amount of buli~ing space with a minimum amount of usable ysrd area in an industrial area, and when the actual uses are put on the property it wtil not sattsfy those nceds. Mr. Ellis pointed out that no use is intended for this area that is not consistent with the zoning requlrements for industri~l uses. Chairman Tolar stated thac with the excepcion of the on~ small building at the south end and the sidewalk walvc~s, this woulo ba an ML p(ece of property and the o~ly reason the Pianning 4ommission is reviewing It Is becausP of the ~wo waivcrs requesCed. Commissioner Herbst pointed out that if the sidewalk walver is not granted~ there would be no landscaping at all proposed on this praperty. Mr. Ellis potnted out there would be some landscaping whicli would vary from 3 feet to 5 feat, up tn a dimension of about 100 feet; that the problem is the property Is not square. Concerning the sidewalks, there are no stdewalks (n tlie ~ntire area and there is no way sidewalks could be constructed on the property in the foreseeable future. Commissioner Herbst polnted out there is a problem in Anaheim for these small buildings whtch turn out to be wholssale/commercial for public use; that the uscrs twist the industrial uses around so that they become wholesale/c%mmercial and ih~s ty~~ of building lends Itself to that kind of use. Mr. Eilis indicated he appreciated Commissianer Hrrbst's concerns~ but there wa~ no intention to use the structures for an~ything not consistent with i~dustrial; that there are small companies and those small companies of today a~e the large companies of tomorrow and they would hetp the City grow. 5/22/78 MINUTES~ qNAHE1M CITY PLANNING C~MMISSION~ MAY 22, 197d 78-384 ~Ia NEGATIVE DECLARAT~_ ON AND VARIANCE N0. 3~12 ~contlnucd) Commlysl~ner F'arbsi indicated that concept Is flna as long as tliR proJect turns out that way . Commlssioner Johnson asked the petitioner to clarify tha trash locatlon situntlon~ and Mr. Ellis rnplled they would be happy to relocate It. Chalrrr~n Tolar polnted out in practic~lly every industrla~l park in !-nahelm there are 15$ to 2~~ commerclal uses~ and Commissloner -lerbst indiceted he wanted it an the r~cord that one of hts toncerns was regarding canmerclal users In industrlal r.~nes. Commlasioner Johnson indicetnd this was a ve ry dtfficult~ t~iangular piccc of property and that slnce assurances were glven the City would be lenient with thr requlremcnts~ he felt thc use should be ~r~nted. ACTI~N: Commissioner p~vid offere~i a motlon~ SCCQndCd by Cormiss(vner King and NOTInN CARRlED (Commissioners Barn~es and Llnn belny absent)~ that the AnAl~~im City Planning Commisslon has rovicwod thc pr~~posal tc~ cunstruct an industrial bulldlny wtth w~{ver of minin,um structural setback and minimu-n landscaping ad.jacen( to an .arterial street on an irregularly-shaped parcel of land consisting of approximalely ~•~ ~oximateCfronta~eshoff the intersectlon of Tustin Avenuc and Jeffcrson Strect~ havinq app a 3~3 feet on ti~e northeast slde of Tustin Avenue and 2~~7 teet on the west side af Jefferson Streat; and does hereby approve the Negativc Oeclaration from the requtrcment to prepare an envlronmenta) impoct r~port on the besis that there woul<i be no slgnificant ind(vidual or cumulatlve adverse environmental impact due to the approval of this Negative Declaraelon since tl~e Anahe~m General Plan designates the subject property for general tndustrial land uses sommensurate with thc+ proposal; that na sensitive environrnental impacts are involved in tf~e propasal; that the Initial Study submitted by the petitioner ind(cates no significant individual or cu~nulativ~ adverse environmental irnpacts; and that the Neyative Detlaration substantiating the foreyoing findings is on flle 1n the City of Anaheim Planning Department. Cpmmissioner Uavld offercd Resolution No. PC78-1Q6 and moved for Its passage and adoption, that the Anahe(m City Pla~ning Commission does hereby granc Petition for Variance ~~o. 3012 on the basis that a hards~+ip exists due to the trianyular shape of the property and the reduttlon (n the size of the property caused by street widentng and realigmm~ow~pendj~ct to the additio~~l condition of cpmpletion of Reclassification No. 51-G2-69~ 9, and subject to Interdepartmental Committee recanmendati~ns. Or. ~~11 calt, the foregaing resolution was passed by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: UAVID, HEitEfST~ KING, JOtIN50Il~ TaIAR NOES: COMMl55IOrIERS: NONE ABSENT: GOMMI SS IOtJERS ; BARNES ~ L I NM COhMISSIONER LINN ARRIVED AT 3:00 P.M. 5/22i'78 ~- ~- MINUTES~ ANANEiM C11'/ PLAI'NING COMMIS510N~ MAY 22~ 197$ 78-385 ITEM N0. y REAUY~RTISEU PUdLIC IIEARING. OWI~ERS: JAMES P. CIR CA G RICAI EXEMPTION-C~ASS 1 ANU PIIYLLIS J. CRAWFORp~ 1~~41 East La Patn~, . Avenue. Anahetm~ GA 32A05, AGENT: DONALD d. I~RUWN~ 2y0 North Cenon Qrive, Beverly Hills~ C11 90210~ Petitfoner requcsts AMENDMENT OF CONDITIQNS OF APPROVAL on property describad as a rectangula~ly-sh~ped p~rcel af lAnd consistiny of approximntaly 9.2 acres having a frontaye af epproximately 6G2 fcet on th~ east side of Wslnut Street~ hr,vlny a nwxlmum depth of epproximetely 601~ feet~ being located appraxl- mately 6y5 feet south of the centerl(ne of Ball Road~ and fu~ther descrihad as 133Q South Mlelnut Street. Property presently cl8sstfled C-R (COMMERCIAL-RECREATIQN) 20NE.. There was no one (ndlcatfng thelr presence in oppnsitlon tn subJ~cc request, and although the staff report to thc Planntng Commtssion datcd May 2~~ 1~?78 ~ti~a, iiot read at the publi~ hearing, it (s referred to end madc a part of the minutes. Ron M(Il(ken~ 603 North Chtppewa~ Anaheim~ representlnc~ Wrath~e~ Leisure~ inc.~ ~+ointed aut thc request is to extcnd the opnrating hours from 7:00 a.m. ta 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 A.m. to 11:00 p.m.~ the baslc rcason being that they serve two dlfferent groups, the membership and hntci guests. Ne potn;ad aut thc ma.jority of thc hotcl gucsts are tn town on conventlons end their convention scliedulcs dictdte that they play tennls in the earlv morning haurs or late tn the evening~ and that members havc indicated e d~slre to play prlor to going to work ln the mo~~iny and also to have evening activities. TNC PUDLIC HEARING WAS CLOSEO. Jay Tashtro, Associate f'lanner~ pointed out na letters have been received in opposition. Comnis~toner Johnson indicated that when the permit was criginally granted, there had been qulte a bit of opp~sition fram the citizens concerning the ope~atinc~ hc~urs~ wtth the opposition feel(ng ttic petitioner w ould be requesting lo~ge~ hours~ whlch ts the case. Cammiss(onPr Nerbst pointed ~~~t that at the last n~eeting cc~ncerning the tent facility~ there had been no opposit(on co Tennisland, Commissiuner King indicated he had been to tl~e faclllty o~ a Sunday morning and stood in front of the facility, and the noise wa~ caused by the traffic and not the players. Jack White, Deputy City Attorney~ pointed out the conditioral uSe permtt could be brought back for Commission review (f the condition ~vas added for e limited time, or If the use proved to be detrimental ta thc health of the citix~ns ~f Anaheim. It was noted the Plan~ing Director or his authortzed representative has determined the proposed proJect falls wtthi~~ the definition of Categorical Exemptions~ Class 1~ as deftned in paragraph 2 of the City of Anaheim Environme~tal Impact Report Gutdelines and is~ therefore~ categorically exempt from the requirement to prepare an EIR. AC710N: Commtssioner Ktng offer$d Resolutian No. PCJ$-107 and moved for its passage and a~~on, that the tinaheim City Plan~tng Commission daes hereby recortrnend to the ~ity Council that the request for amendment of conditlons pertaining to o~erating hours in connectio~ with CQnditional Use Pcrmit No. 1571 be approved, allaaing the operating hours to be from 6:0(! a.m. to 11:00 p.m.~ as stipul ted to by the petitioner. On rall call, the foregoiny resolution was passed by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: DAVIU, NERBST, !OHNSON~ KING~ LINN, TOLAR NOES: COMMISSIONERS: IdONE ABSENT: COMNI SS IONERS : EO,.~ ~~ 5/22/78 MINUTES~ ANAIIEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 1978 78-386 ITEM N0. 6 REAOVCRTIS".~ PUBLIC HEAaING. OWNERS; KENNETN ~. AND EIR A GORICAL EXEMPTI~-N-CLASS 1 LOUIE 8. CLAUSEN, 2795 West Linc~ln Avenue~ MF~ . ,, Anshelm. CA ~2801. AGENT; CLAUDINE Y.. LEVINS~ ~' 1832~~ AlexAnd~r~ Ce~ritos~ CA 90701. Petitlone~ requests MODIFICI1T101~ OF CONpIT'IONIIL US~ PERMIT on property described as a rectA~~yularly-aheped percel of lAnd consisti~c~ of ap~-roximatoly 0,9 ^cre located at the southeast corner of Lincoln Avesnue and Empire Street~ havin~ epproxl- mate fro~tages of 2G~i feet on the south side of Lincoln Avenue end 1~0 faet on the erst stde of ~mplre Street~ and furtf~er descrtbed as 2060 West Linc~ln Avenuc. Propercy presently ~lassifled Gl (COMMERCIAL~ LIMIT~U) ZOt1E. There was na one tndicatin~ tli~ir prasence In opposition to subJect ~equest~ and althouc~h the staff roport to the Plenntng Commisslon ~~~d May 22, 1978 was r.o~ reAd at the public he~ring~ it is raferred tr~ enJ m~Jc a pdr'~ uf il~e ininutes. Andrew flimrnel ~ t~5~i~+ Mulholland Or(ve~ Los Anycles~ Agent~ potnted out the ariginel eond(tlonal use permit w~s for wonxen ~nly and that mcn elso havc an ob~sity problem and h(S cllent wantS to promc~tr. the use of the body wrap (whlch is applled to the body to brcak down tl~e body fat and fs sup~osecl to be a slimminc~ frct~r). Ne polnted out his c) ient had requests from wl ves who havc t+~ken thi s trcatment for tl~el r husbands to take It. therefore, thc revu~st Is to modify the condltional use permit to allow massage ard body wrap treatments for men as well as women. THE PUaLIC NEARING WAS CLOSEO. Comnlssloner King pointed ouc tl~e staff reporr indicates the facility would be used by men and women on alternate days~ wlth Mr. Nlmr~~cl pointinq ~ut there would be spectfir.d times for men and women. Cnmmissioner Johnscx~ asked the petitioner to explain the layout ~f the facility and whether or not eve rybody is requlrGd to toke the body wrap treatment. Mr. liimmel pointed out they have a sauna bath and after the sauna ~he body w~ap (s applied to the bady, which (s su~+posed to break down tl~e body fat, and a person could take a sauna bath only or a massaye~ ~r all in conJunctlon; that hts client is promoting the body w rap Necauss he undQrstood no ather facilixy in Anahelm nff~;rs th(s treatment. Comnissi~ner Johnson asked what th~ hpu~s of operation wouid be~ and Mr. Hirmiel repiied the facil(ty would open about g:OQ a.m. and close about 10:00 p.m. Jay Tashiro pointed out the Poiice Department had been cnntacted and they reported they had observed patrons entering the facil~ty aftEr 10:00 p.m., and Mr. Nimmel repited it was thelr Inte~tion to not allaw anyone in after hours. Ch~irman Tolar asked if the facil(ty closes at 10:00 p.m. now, who is seen entering after 10:00 p.m, and Mr. Nimmel repl ied that would prc~bably be the clean-up crew. Claudine Levfns Cook, operator of the ou~iness. was present~ end Chairman 7olar asked her to explain who gaes to the buslness after 10:00 p,m. and she replied a few people were cleaning af~er 10:00 p.m. and they had been staying same evenings to do painting and cleaning. 5/22/78 MIf~UTES. ANANEIM CITY PLANNING CAMMISSiON~ W1Y 22~ 1978 ~a-387 ~,~R CATEGORICAL EXFMPTION-CLASS 1 ANU CONDITIONAL USE PEaMIT N0, 175~ ~contlnuad) Commissloner King esked if the hours c~f opereclon were posted an the door~ ~nd M~. Cook repltad they were not p~stRd. ~tialrman Tolar Indicated he was bother~d in rel~tionslitp to massar~e parlors because there havn been prablems with some of tho ex(sting facilitie~ in thr, past; thst most of them are still In the County but they do hAVe A bad reputation. He indicated he reell~eci thts Is a salon for exr.rciae and weight reduction and that men d~ nee~t this type tre~tment, as weil as women, but that he was concerned about allowing thls dual usc. Ms. Cook pofnted out khis typc facllity Is regulated by certoin l~ws and if thesc ~ules arc b ~oken~ her busincss would be clas~d. Sha indicated shc realtzed thc good buslnesses must pay for the rcputatlon of a bad business~ but sl~e would 11kC a cl~ance to prove thls is a good business and she would not be breakiny eny iaws whatsoever. Shc lndlcated this business hes bcen in existence for about ninc yeors and she f~as bcen in it since the first of the ycar. She p~inted out men have tloe same welqht problems as women and a lot of the ladles have wanted to bring their husbands in~ and she was not awarc this was nat allowcd and has haJ to ma{~e changes . Commisstoner Johnsan asked {f th(s could be tled to a time limlt, and Jock White~ Deputy City attorney, polntod out tne Commisslon could cither add a condit(on that wouid automatlcally bring it back for review in e year or two. or lf the operation has problems and causes a nu) sance to tl~e genera 1 hea 1 th, peace ai~d Safety of the ci t i zens ~{ t cou 1 d be reviewed on that basis. Chafrman Tolar indtcated he would like to see this approvcd wlth rn autanatic review at the end of nne ye~r~ and he dtd not [hink a time limit would have an ill effer_t on the business s(nce they would not be making any changes in their operation. It was noted that the Planning Director or his authorized ~r.nresentative has deiermined ttiat the proposed proJect falls within the definiclon of Cate9orical Exemptlons~ Class 1, as de1`ined in paragraph Z of the CSty of Anahcim Environmi:ntal Impact Report Guidelines and is~ therefore, categorically exempt from the requirement to prepare an Cla. AGTION: Commissioner Nerbst offered Resolution I~o. PC7$'10$ and moved for {ts passage and a~t~on~ that the Anaheim City Planning Cortmission does hereby grant the request far modiftcatlon of Conditionai Use Permit No. 17~5 to permi[ massages for men and wanen (n an existing flgure salon, subJect to tfie stipula[io~s by the pet(tioner that the hours of operatlon shall be from 8:OA a.m. until 10:00 p.m.; tf~at the use is granted for a one-year perfod subject to re~ilew for possible extenslons of time upon wrlttc~ request by the petitloner; and subject to Interdepartment~al Committe~ recammendatlons. On roll call, the fore~oing resolution was passed by the fallowing vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: DAVID, NERt35T~ JOi1N50N~ KING~ LINtI~ TOLAR NOES : COMM) SS I O~~ERS : t10NE ABSENT: COMMiStiIONERS: BARI~ES Ms. Gook asked about the one-year time limit, and Jay Tashlro explained the Planning Department would send her a letter telling her she should request an extension of time at the end of a one-y~ar perlod. S/22/78 4 MINUTES~ ANANEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSI01~~ MAY ?.2~ 1q78 78-388 1 TEM N0. J PUEiI I C NEARi NG. OWNEKS : CON5E:aVAT 1 VF. BAF'T 1 ST ETI~~i~TT1lE DECLAMTIOtJ ASSOCIATION OF SOUTIIERN CALI FORIIIA~ 2~28 West La p ON E E MI N0. 18 Palma Avenue~ Anahetrt~~ CA 9280) and GRAGE DAPTIST A ODE RE~UIREMENTS CHURCH OF ANIINEIM~ 25~A West la Pelma Avenue~ An~+l»im~ CA 928Q1. AGENT: JAMES M. THAYER, 77 arookhollow Url•~e~ Senta Ana. CA 92705. Petltloner requests EXPA~~SION OF Ct~URCII OFFICES WITN WAIVER OF (N) MAXIMUM STRUCTURAI IIEIGNT AND (B) MINIMUM REAR YARD SETBACK on propertv descrtl,ed ns a rectangularly-shaped parcel af land co~sisting of approximately 2.2 acres heving a frontagc of approximately 180 feet on the south slde of La Palrtia Avenue, having a maxlmum dopth of approximatcly S33 feet, bQing loceted approximately 66Q feet uast of the centerl ine of Magnol ta Avenue~ a~d further described as 2523 West La Palma Avenue. Property presontly classifled RS-A-43~~QQ (RESIDENTIAL/ AGRICUlTUR1lL) 20NE. There was no one indi cat i n~ thei r aresPnce i n oppos I t lon to subJect request, and al though the s taff report to the P I ann ing Gommi ss i on dated May 22 ~ 1~37~5 was not raad at th~ pub I I c hearing~ it (s referred to and made a part of tf~e minuces. Jemes M. Thayer~ ayent~ representing th~ Conservat(vc aaptist nssociation of Southern Ca 1 i forn I a and the Grace Dapt ( s t Church of Anahe t m, owners ~ i nd i cated they are req ues t 1 ng a condittonal use permit t~ extend the office buildin,y to within $ fcet of th~ rear lot line and waivcrs of the he(ght Iimit~~+tir~n~ extending the same he(ght a5 Che prev(ously- approved pcrmtt, and minimum required rear yarci setback. lie potnted out the two-story b~ilding would be adJacent to apartment houses whlch have two stories and to a minlature golf course. He polnted out there would be 49 feet of apen space between this bui Iding and the church bullJing and that this Is acceptable to the church. He pointed out the ~~ours of operatlon for the two uses do not coinclde and that there was a previous condition added that if the California Baptist Association sells this uffice building~ the propertty wauld be reverted to the ~ urch. lie indicated the building had been designed to be used as a classroom for the church should [he offices be moved. and pointed out this would be a law-key operatian and not generate very much traffic and they have had no access p~oblems. 11e felt the hetght variance would not be obj~ctionable to the adJacent us~s and would be compatible. THE PUBLI C HEARI NG WAS CLOSED. Chairman Tolar indicated his concern in relationship to sellin4 the property in the future. and Commissi~ner Linn indicated concern that if the church is sold, would the property rc~vert to thc associatio~~ and Mr. Thayer repl fed there is a reciprocal easement, ACTIO~s: Commissioner Johnsan offered a motion, secnnded by Comnissloner Y~ing and MOTi011 ARR EO (Commisstoner [iarnes be(ng absent), tlia~ the Anaheim Clty Planninq Commission has reviewed the sub~ect project consisting of ars expansion of church nfflces with ~aiver of maxlmum structural height and minimum rear ya~d setback on a rectangularly-shaped parcel of land consistiny of approximately 2.2 acres having a frontage of approximate ly 180 feet on thc south side of La Palma Avenue, having a maximurn depth of aQpr~x(mately 533 feet, being located apProximately 660 feet east of the centeri ine of Magnolla Avenue ; and does hereby approve the Negative Declaration from the requlrement to prepare an envi ronmental lmpa~t report on the basis that there woutd be no signiftcant individual or cumulative a~verse environmental impact due to the dpproval of this Negative Declaration since tMe Anaheim General Pla~ designates the subJecc property for med;um density residenttal land uses commensurete witt~ the proposal; that na sensittve environmen:al impacts a~e involved in the proposal; thr~t the Initial Study submitted by the petitione~ I.~di;.ates no 5/12i'!8 ~r MINUTES, ANAHEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISS tON~ MAY 22~ t978 78-389 EIR NEGATIVE OECLARATION ANq CUNDITIONAL USE PERMIT NQ. 1833 (caontinucd) significant t ndivlduel or cumulative a dvorse onvironment~l impacts; and xhet the Ncgetlve Doclaration subst+~ntlating th~ fare~lr,g flndinga is vn file In the Clty of Anah~im Ple~ntng Depsrtment. Commiss (oner Johnson nf fered Resol ut i o: . No. PC)8-109 And navad for i ts pessaqe and edoptlon. that the Anahelm City Planni~g Gommisslon does hereby grent Petltton for Condlttonal Use Permit No, 1833~ subjeet tc~ Interdepartmental Committee recommendatlons. On rol) call , the foregoing resolution was passed by thc follawing vote: AYES: COMMlSSIONERS: UAVID~ NER~ST, JOIiNSON~ I~ING~ LINN. TOLAR NOES: GOMMISSION~RS; NONE ABSENT: COMN.ISS IONERS ; pARNES Commissloner Johnson offered a motion~ seconded by Comnissir~ner Davld and MOTION CARRIED (CAmmtsstone~ Darnes beln~ absent) ~ that the Anahcim City Plr~nning Commis; to~ does hereby grant watvers (a) and (b) on the bas ( s that the appl l c~nt's tes timony indlcates a reciprocal easement wi I1 be recorded between the properties and there wlll be 5Q feet nf open l andscaped area between the: two b ui l dings. Commissl~ner lierbst asked if the walvers would be necess~ry if tl~ese two properties were one~ and Jay TAShi ro polnted out th~e waiver regard(ng the height would sti 11 be necess~nry because of the apartment complex on the adJacent property. ITEM N0. 8 PU6LIC NEARING. ONN~R: J. P. EDMONOSON PRUPERTIES~ ~~E ~RI CAL EXEM?TiON-CLA55 1 LTD. ~ a00 41t Ishire Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA 9~017. t~D 0 L U E RM 0. 35 Petit(oner requests per-mission t~ ESTABLISH AN AUTOMQ8ILE RENTAL AGENCY IN AN EXISTING SERVICE STATI0~1 on property described as a rectangularly- shaped parcei of land consisttng of approximately 0.5 acre located at the southeast corner of Manchester Avenue and Harbo~ Qoulevard~ having approximate frontages of 150 feet on the south side of Manchester Avenue and 150 feet on the oast side ef Harbor Boulcvard~ and further described as 1401 So~th Harbor aoulevard. Property presently classi fied RS-A-43~O~A (RESIDENI'IAL/AGRICULTURAL) ZOt1E. There w~s no one tndicating their presence in oppositlon to subJect reyuest, and although the staff report to the Plan~ing Commission dated May 22, 1978 was not read at the public heartng, (t is ~eferred to and mede a part of thQ minutes. David McNally~ 612 Amber prive, representiny Pate) Rent A Car. (nc.~ age~t, pointed out a previous ~eq uest to corvert an existin g servtce station into an automobile rencal agency was withdraw~ and they nave worked out a more compatible proposal which wtl i be in compliance wi th the zoning codes. Ile indicated they had reduced the numbcr of vehtcles to be stored on the property for dl5play to faur and would be operating the facllity as a gasoline serv(ce station, THE PUBLIG HEARiNG Wp~S CLOSED. it was noted that the Planning ~ireccor or his authorized representative has determined that the proposed project falls wtthirs the definftion of Categoric~l Exemptions, Class 1. 5l22/78 ~ MINUTES, ANAHEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22. t978 78-390 EIR CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION-ClASS 1 ANO CONDIT_iONAI USE PERMIT N0. 1835 (cantlnued) as daftn ed in pa~agraph 2 of the Clty of Aneheim Envtronmentsi Impact Rep~rt Guidelinea anJ is, the.refore~ categorica'ly cxampt from tho requiremont to prepetG ~n EIR. Cc~nmissianer Nerbst asked tlie petitioner to specify the hours of operation~ and the petit{on er replled thay were as shown In the staff report. ACTION: Commiss(oner King offer~d Resolutlon No. PC78-110 end moved for its passage and a opt on (Commissl~ner Barnes boiny absent)• tliat the Anaheim City Planning Commission does he ~eby grant Petition fo~ Conditlonal llse Perm(t ~~o. 1~35. subJect to Interde partmental Committec rQCOmmendations. On roil cell~ the `nregoing resolutlon waa passed by the followinc~ vote: AYES: COMMISSIANERS: DAVIU~ IIERBST. JOIINSON, KING~ LINN, TOLAR NOES: COMNISSIO~IERS: NONE AUSkN7: COMMISSIONERS; BARNES ITkM NO. 9 PUBLIC HEARING. OWNERS: WILLIAN N. RCMLA~ID~ ET l1L~ ERt~CATEGORIC~L EXEMPTI01~-CIASS 1 63G East Chapman Aven~e. Qrange~ CA 926b6. AGENT: ND ON L US E I N0. 3 DUNKIN DONUTS~ 3~43 Suuth Caricia Orive. Hacienda AIVER OF ODE REQUIR, EMEt~T He(ghts~ CA 91745• Pctitioner requests permission to ESTABLI511 A DRIVE-711ROUGtI DOt1UT SFiOP WITIi WAIVER OF MINIMU'1 NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES an property describ ed as a rectangularly-shaped parcel of la~d consisting of approxlmately O.~i acre locate d at the no~theast corner• af Orange Avenue and Oeach Boulevard~ having app~oxtmaCe frontages of 135 feet on the north s(de of Qrange Avenue and 125 fee[ on th~ east side of Beach Boulevard~ ard further de~~~ribed as 528 So~th Beach Boulevard. P~ope~ty t~resently classi fied CL (COMMERCIAL, LIMtTED) ZOt~E. There was a one indicating their presence in opposition to subJect request~ and although the s t aff report to the Planning Commisslo~ dated May 22~ 1978 was not read at the public hearin g~ lt iS referred to and made a part of the mtnutes. Ed 7e u ton~ ayent~ indicateJ ttiey wish to construct a doughn ut storc and were requesting walve ~ nf th e parking requirements in order to have a drive-through w(ndow. Ne pointed out th at 22 spaces would be adequate for this type of use; that 50~ of their business would be take-out business and it was thel; opinion the drive-through window woul ' not requi re more parking. THE PUDLiC HEARING WAS CLOSED. It was noted that the Planning Dlrec[or or his authorized representative has detcrm(ned that the proposed proJect falls within the definition of C ategorical Exemptions, Class 1, as de f{ned in paragraph 2 of the City of Anaheim Environmental impact Qeport Guldeline5 and i s~ therefore~ cate~~orically exempt from the requtrement to prep~~e an EtR. ACT10 N; Commissioner King offered Resolution No. ~'C7a-111 and ^p~antfPetitl naforye end a~pi o~ n~ that the Anahelm City Planning Conmission does hereby g Condi tional Use Permit PJo. ta35, subject to Interdepartmental Committee recommendations. 0~ roll call~ the foregoing resolution was passed by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: DAVID. HERBST. JOHNSON, KING, LINN, TOLAR NOES: COMMISSIOtiERS: NONE AE35ENT: COMMI SS IONEaS: BARN~S 5~22~~8 ,~ ~ ~ MINUTES~ ANAHEIM CITY NLANNING COMMISSIOk~ MAY 22~ 1978 78~391 ~,IR CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION-CLASS 1 AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT N0. 1a36 (contlnued) Commisstoner King offered a mation~ seconded by Commissloner Davld and MOTION CARRICp (Can~nisslonor tie~nas belny absent) ~ that the request for weiver of wdc roqui r~menc for minlmum nu~er of parking spaces bo granted on the basls that with thr. sir.e of the property end the type of use~ it Is nut feaslble to provide the number of parking spaces rnqulred~ and deniel would be e deniel of the use grented t~ ochers in the area. RECESS There wes a 15~minute recess ai 3:20 p.m. FIECONVENE The rn~eting wds reconvened at 3:35 p.m., Cort~missioner Oarnes belnq abstnt. ..~..~_. ITEM N0. 10 PUE3LIC HEARING. OWNCRS: DALE E. AND SARAH ANN EIR CATEGOaICAL EXEMPTION•CLASS 1 FOWLCR~ 3176 East la Palma 1lvenue~ AnAheim~ CA 92~OG. COND) IOf1AL USE PERMIT N0. 37 AGENT: CREVIER IMPORTS, 1061-H Shepard Street~ Anaheim~ CA 92806. Petitloner requ~sts permissinn ta ESTABLISII AN AUTQMODILE REPAIR AND RESTORATION SERVICE FACILITY on property described as a rectangularly-shaped parcel of land consisting of approxtmately a.2 acres located at the southwegt corner of L~ Palma Avenue and Shepard Street~ having appraximate frantages of 440 feet on the south side of La Palma Avenue and 510 feet on the west sidc of Shepard StrePt~ a~d further descr(bed as l~~il Shepard Strcet. Unit N. Property preaently classifled ML (INDUSTRIAL~ LIMlTED) ZO~IE. There was no one i~dicating their presence in opposlt(on to s~bJect request~ and although tl~e staff report to th~ Planning Commission da:ed May 22~ 1978 was not read at the public hearing~ it is referred to and made a part of the minutes. Joseph Crevier, agent~ indicated he is requ~sting the conditionAl use permit to repair and restore vehicles at the location he is presently using. THE PUBLI C'~EARING WAS CLOSED. Comrnissi~~ner Nerbst asked for clarification regardinq the "repair of vehicles," and Mr. Crevier polnted out they do maJor tuna-ups~ overhauling~ and d(smantling far restoration of vehiclos and that a car could be dismantled al) the way tn the frame and rebuilt; that ~ach car is differenc and it covers a wide ~ange. Ile painted out they do not do any painting or body work at this location and al) work Is done inside and there ls no outdoor storage~ and they work primariiy on Ferraris and Maseratis. Comnissioner Nerbst asked if tu~e-up work was done on ordinary ca~s or }ust these special cars~ and Mr. Crevier replied that tt~ey only work on foreign cars~ specializing in Ferraris. classics~ and vintage-type ca~s. Commisslo~er David asked what type of advertisfng was done to attract customers, and Mr. Crevitr repiied their business is by wo~d of mouth, that they do ~ot advertise, and this is a very select type of busine~s. Comnissioner Herbst asked tf thiere would be any signing~ and Mr. Crevier replied there would be e smatl sign acroxs the front of the building. 5/22/78 ~^ f, MINUTES~ ANANEIM GITY PLANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 197$ 7$'392 EIR CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION-CLASS 1 ANU CONDITIONAL US~ PERMIT N0. 1837 ~continued) _.___~ - -- ChalRnon Tolar askod if a time ltmit should be considered for approval of thla condition~l use pc~mit slnGe It i~ tn the industrlal area and sometlmes thesc usos are not conduclvc to an industrlal araa. Mr. Crevler potnted out the landlord has offered him e lnrger unit and he might be consider(ng moving Into a differe~t unit at the same complex, buC there would be no modlficatians or alteratlons to the bu(ld(ng. Jack White, Deputy Glty Attorncy, poi~ted out the sub'^ct application was for Unit N and If the business Is moved, it would hove to be readvertised for anothcr public hearing. Mr. Crevier pointed out a canditlon had been included requiring the sidewalks be installed along La Palrna Avenue and Shepard Street and not~d there are n~ sidewalks in the nntire nelghburhood, and hc was sure the landlord would not be w1111ng to pay for the sidewalk. Jay Titus, Offlce Enginee ~ polnked out the praperty owner could request a sidewalk wa(ver. The s(gnal assessment fee was discussed, with Jay Tltus polntl~g out the signa) assessement fec would be based on the square footage of the area being utilized~ and if the C~mmtsslon ag~ee~ with the condltion~ the fec would be based on the area he was using. Con~r-Issionor Davld clarified this gignal assessment fee was being imposed because it would be a cort-mcrctal use in a~ tndustrial area, and Jay Titus point~d aut if the Planning Cammissio~ felt this was more of an industrial use than a comnercial use, they could delete that conclitian. Commissioner Nerbst felt the re.toration and rebuilJing of automobiles was a borderline case and would lean more tawards Industrial than comnercia:. Commissioner Linn Indicated he felt this should be fndustrial rath~r than commerc(al, and Commissioner David pointed out it would be a limited type of servite offered to vcry fev~ peop le . It was noted that the Planning Director or his authorized representative has determined that tfie proposed proJect falls within the definition of Catego~ica~ ExemF+tions, Class 1, as defincd in paragraph 'L ~f the City of Anaheim Environmr,ntal impact Report Guidel(nes and ts, therefore~ categorically exempr from the ~equirement to prepare an EIR. ACTION: Commissioner L(nn offered Resolutian No. PC7ii-i12 and moved for its passage and a~coptron~ that the Anaheim City Planning Cortx~ission d~es hereby grant Petitton for Condittonal U5e Permtt No. 1837; that Condltion Na. 2 s~e~ll be ~eleted from the inte~depertmental Committee rec~mmendattons; that subJect use is granted for a twa-year period~ subject to consideration for an extension of time upon wrttten request by the petittoner; and subJect ta Interdepartmental CammitCee recomstiendations. Oro roll call, the faregoing resolution was passed by the following vote: AYES: CONMISSIONERS: DAVID~ NERBST~ JOHNSO~~, KING, LINf~~ TOLAR NOES s COh1i~t155 f Ot1ERS : NQNE AOSENT: COMMISSIO~~ERS: BARNES s~z2~~a 3 MINUT~S, ANAHEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, MAY 22~ 1978 7a-393 ITEM N0. 11 ' PUBLIC HEAaING. BALL ROAQ 863~ liD.~ P. 0. ~'~~ICAL EXENP710f1-CLASSl:S 1 b 3 8ox 4265~ Anahelm~ CA 92E~3. AGENTt WILLIAM 011~ N L U E~ERMI'~~. ~~ A. CORN, 5162 Princeton Mvenue~ Westminster~ CA 92G83. Pat(ttuner ~equesCs permisslon ta ESTADLISI~ A TENT CAMP FACILITY IN AN EXISTING RECREATIONAL VEt11CLC PARK on property described es an Irregularly-shaped pr~rcel of land consistinq of approxlmately 9•0 acres heving a frontage of apprAximately 775 feet on the north alde af Ball Roed~ hAV(ng a rnaximum deptfi of approxlmately G--7 feec~ being located approximately 330 feet east o~ the centerlina of Narbor E3oulevard~ and further described as 333 and 1F75 west aa11 Road. Property presently classified CL (COMMERCIAL~ LIt~,ITED) ZONE. Thers was no one indicatt~~ their presence in oppositlon t~ sub,ject reguest, a~d ~{though the staff report to the Planning Co~rnisslon dated May 22~ 1978 was not read at the public hearing~ (t Is referred to and made a part of the minutes. Michael Duffy~ 18652 Libra Circle~ Nuntington Beach, pointed out this petition Is the result of raquests of p~,~ential patrons relntive to tcnting facil(ttes at their existing recreatlonal vehicle park and that the lur~~est portinn of these requests is from forelgn students trsveling in the United States who want t~ go to Dtsneyland and need a place to camp. Na po(nted out they are trying to maintaln the standards of thetr park and have (soleted an Area in the interior portion of the park, whlch would place tt in the nortl~east portlon of the park. fic pninted out they have adequate restroom facllittes~ showers~ laundry facilttles~ and a convenience st~re tn the park~ which are in excess of code and would be adequate to service this tenting faciltty. He polnted out ehere is a need for this type facility in Anaheim since tourism is a vital part of commercia) enterprise in Anahelm and they hoped to answer this need w+Ch this use. T11E PUBLI C HEARIt~G WAS CLOSED. C~~mm(ssloner Linn questloned the dog run for those patrons who bri~g the(r pets to the factlity, end Mr. Quffy replied they had not provided a speciftc place for the dog run. Commiss(oner Johnson noted the staff repor; indica[ed they would be using 3~+ spaces for the tent fac(iity and asked if tt would be confined to that number, and Mr, Duffy replied that they would not accept any nwre than 34 users into this area. Commissloner Johnson pointed out hc ~eallzed chere is a demand for this type of tent camping and that maybe we are obligated by law Co provide some methad for people to cgmp, but that he did nAt think this was a good location for this type use. A lady In the audience potnted out her concern for the type of patrons this use would attract. Mr. Duffy po(nted out they wauld be charginy the same rate for tl~e tent camping facility as they would for recreatinnal vehicle parkinc~. Ne pointed out they have~ in the past, had people come in and read the directions for select(ng a site and registertng in the mor~ing who have put up their tei~ts after I~ours and they have had ta remove them in the morning and tney hoped by being able to post ths directions fo~ legttimate-type camping~ this ~ould eliminate the problem. 5/22/78 ~~ MINUTE5. ANAHEIM CITY PLANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 1978 78-394 EIR CATEGORICAI EXEMPTION•CLASSES 1 6 3 AND CONDITIONAL USC PERMIT N0.~8 (oontinued) Chalrmen Talar polnted out that it appears whAn pl~cos charga the same rete for tent cemptng as they do recreatlona) vehicles~ It allmtnates some af the problems with u~desirabla typos of peoplc campiny. Chalrman Toler Indicated he wauld Ilke to sao a time limit tiac~ ta thts use~ If lt is epproved~ s~ that the Planning Commlasion would heve a handle on It. Commissloner Llnn polnted out the provious tenting facility approved was ad,jacent to reside~ntial and that this facility would be more desirable since it Is not. edJecent to rasldenttal. It wes noted that the Planning plrector o~ ~~is authorit~d representative has determined tMot the proposed proJect falls witt~(n the definiti~n ~f Categorlcal Excmptions~ Classcs 1 and ;~ as defined in paragraph 2 of the City of Anaheim Env(ronm~ntal Impact Report Guidalines and is, therefore~ categorically cxempt from tt~e requirement :o prepare an EIR. ACTIOP~: Cammissi~ncr Herbst offered Kesolution Ilo. PC78-113 and mov~d for (ts passoge and ac~nptTon~ that thc Anahoim City Planning Commisslon does hereby grant Pctitlon for Conditiona) Use Perm(t No. 183~! for a one-year perlod~ sub,ject to review and consideration for po~slble extonslon of time up~n written rcquest by the petltioner~ and subJect to Interdepartmentat Committee recommGndations. On roll c~ll, the foregoing ~esolut(on was passed by the following vate: AYES: COMMISSInNERS: DAJIU~ H~RBST, KING, LINN. TALAR NOES: COMMISSIOIIERS: JONNSON AliSENT: COMMiSSIONERS: BAIiNES Commissioner pavid asked the criteria for khe escablishment Uf a dog run~ po{nting out that one pa~k previously approved dces p~ovtde a dog run and this park does not, and Jack Whlte~ Deputy City Attorney~ replir.d thls wes simply a matter of choice on the part of the petitfoncr. 5/22/78 ~ MINUTES~ AMAHEIM CITY PI~NNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 1978 78-3g5 I TEM N0. 1 R~I'OR AND RECOMMEI~D/1TIONS A. GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT N0. 1N7 - Requast for Initlatlon of iand use evaluatlon or enera an Atudy. Area I-_~.?3 acros at the southwest corner of Ninth Street and Katella Avenue. Commissioner King noted hts c~ncern regarding the awner of the property In case there Gould be a confltct of interest~ and Jack White~ Deputy City Ateorney~ p~inted out It would not be a conflict of Interest since this actinn is to determine whether or not to sst the item for public hcar(ng. ACTION: Commissioner King offerc:d a motlon~ zeconded by Commissioner Linn and MOTION ~~U (Commisslonar aarnes being absent)~ th~t Genernl Plan amendmenl procced(ngs are appropriate at this time for A~ea I and tliat this matter should be set for public hcertng. Area 11 - a~ roximatc:l 1'l acres south of Miraloma Way between the Riverside ~+nd Orange raeway s n te ~c a~. ACTION: Commissio~er Linn offereJ a motion, sec~nded by Commissioner David ~nd MOTI0~1 A~R~ED (Commissioner Barnes being absent)~ that General Plan amendment proceedings are appropriate et this tlme for Area II and ti~at th(s matksr should be set for public hearl~g. Ar~a 111 -~ roximate.~l. Y~0 acres soutli of the Riverslde Freew norkh of the Santa Ana Rfve~ st~ us~n Avenue an east o t e ao co~tro c anne n t e v c n t o asse treot. ACTION: Commissioner David offered a motion, seconded by Cortmissioner Ltnn and MOTION t ED (Comnissioner Barnes beinq absent)~ that General Plan amendment proceed{ngs are appropriate at this time for Area III and thnt this matter should be sec for pubilc hearing. Area IV - a roximatel 4 acres at the northwest corner of Oran ethor e Avenue and Imoer al Nighway. ACTION; Commissioner Nerbst offered a motion~ seconded by Commissioner David and MOTION CARRIED (Commissioner Barnes being absent). that Gencral Plan amendr,~ent proceedings are appropriate at this time for Area IV and tt~at this matter should be set for public hearing. A~nika Santelahti~ Assistant Direct~r for Zoning, noted the public hearing date for General Plan Amendment No. 147 is July 11~ 197~. B. VARIR.~ N0._ 696 ' Request for an extens ion of time. Jay Tashiro, Associate Planner, presented the staff report to the Ptanning Commission dated May 22~ 197~. explaining sub,ject property is an irregularly-shaped parcel of land consisting of approximetely 1.48 acres located approximately 300 feet from the centerli~e of Claudina Way; that the applicant re~ues~s an extensto~ of time for the retail sale and 5/22/78 i ~. MINUTES~ ANAHEIM CITY PLANNING CQMMI5SION~ NAY 22, 1978 78'39~ ITEM ~_(continued) ouCdo~r storage of bullding materlals; and thet the conditlon requirin~ the plante~ a~ea In front of the building to be replanted and malntt~tned has not bne~ met. ACTION: Commissioner HerbsC offered a motlon~ seconded by Commissioner David and MOTION CA RIEO (Commissinner Barnes boing ebs~nt)~ tl-ax thr request for a one-year extension ~f tirt-e for Varia~nce No, 2Ga6~ to explre May 2R~ 1979. he <~ranted~ provided the petittoner ~eplant withln 30 days and maintatn an existing 5-foot planter~ as requl~ecf by the cond(tlon of epproval. It was explainod to a lady (n the audience representing the nppilcant which a~ea must be landscaped~ and she indicnted she understood. C. COtJDITIONAL USE PERMIT N0. 1574 - Request for approvei of revised plans. The staff report to tlic Planniny Commission daccd Mey 22~ 1a7G was presented~ noting subject property is an irregularly-shaped parcel of lanJ consisting of approximately 35 acres locaced south of the Rtverside Freeway~ havinc~ a frontage o~ approximately 6Q4 feet an the north side of Medica) Center Drive, having a maximum depth of approximately 758 feet, and being located 106~ feet wesz of the centerline of Euclid Street and that the applicant, Andrew Peszynski~ Matreyek Nomes. Inc., requesCs approval of revlsed plans for removal of a l~undry/carwash facility from the oriyinally approved exhibit. Commfssioner Flerbst indicated he had a conflict of interest as defined by Anaheim Gity Plenr~ing Commissian Resolution No. PC16-1y7~ adopting a Canflict of InterCSt Code for che Plannin3 Commissio~~ and Government Code Section 3G25, et seq.~ and hc was hereby declaring to the Chaitman that he was withdrewing from the hearirg and wouid not take part in either the discussion or the voting thereo~ and that he had not discussed this matter with any member of the Planning Commission. Andrew Peszynski~ agent representing Anaheim Shores Itiobile Estates~ indicated they were requesting to eliminate the laundry building and explalned that hls letter would give the reasons. He pointed au~ they would st(I1 have laundry fACilities in the main recreation buildi~y and they would use this space far an ~dditional mobllehome site or they would make a picnic area if the Planning Commisston did nnt approv~ the additional mobilahome site. He expla{ned that there are laundry facilities in the main recreation bullding itself in the center of the proJect, and they would provide addit(o~al carwash facilities at the west end of the property. Chairman Tolar asked why they had dccided ta change che plans at this point, and ~1r. Peszynski potnted out the original plans were drawn seven or eight yea~s ago and thelr thinking was ve ry much tawerd the single-coach concept, but that the mobilehomes of today are double wide and have their own laundry facilities in the units~ and Che Californta Code requires the facilities be provided in the coaches. and Canmissioner Nerbst abstalning)~ ACTIQN: Commissioner Kin~ offered a motio~~seconded by Commissioner Johnson and MOTION RIED (Commissioner Bernes being absent that the Anaheim Ctty Fla~ni~g Commiss(on does hereby recommend to the City Council that the request for ~evised plans be approvad in connection with Cvndttlonal Use Permlt No. 1574. COMMISSIONER BARNES ARRIVED AT 4:10 P.M. 5/22/78 MINUTES~ ANAN~IM CITY PLANNING CUMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 191u 78-397 D. ABANDONMCNT N0. 77~~'?A - Requast to abandon n publlc utility easert-ent at 2953 est Devoy D~ ve. Tho staff repurt to the Planning Commisslon d~ted May 2?.~ 197~i was presented~ notin9 subJect request ts to abandon an ex(sting public utllity easement located at 29;3 Wese Devoy Urive~ locatud 1~ Lot 113, Trect No. 2228. to build a yaraqe to thc prnperty line~ and that thls request has b~en reviewed by all departments of the Ctty and affected oucside ayencles and approvel of tfils request is recommende~d by the Public Works Depertment, Enginecriny Division. (t was noted that ths Planning Dirccte~r or hls authorized represcntotivc hns dtterminGd Ch~t the proposed proJect fells wtthin the definition of Catagorlcal ~xernrtions~ Class ;~ as defincd in para,yrapt~ 2 of tl~c Gity of hnal~cim Environrt-Pncal Impact R~port Guidelines a~d (s~ ther~fore~ categ~rically exempt from ti~e rcyuirement tc~ prepare an LIR. ACTIOt~: Conunissioner David offered a motlon~ seconded by Commissioner Y.(nc~ and MpTION CANaTD~ that khe An~heim Cicy Planning Gommiss(on does hereby recomme~nd to the City Councll ttiat Abandanmc:nt No. 77-19A~ to abandon a public utility easement at 2~!',3 West Devoy Urlve~ be approved. E:. ABAI~UOI~MENT N0. 17-2~ ~ Reques t ko abandan a pu~, l i c ut i I i Cy easement at 1 ~~1 Soutl~ Kinysley Street. The staff report to the Plannin~~ Gomnisslon ~iated Nay 22~ 197$ was presented~ n~ting the request to abandon 3 fc:et~ 3 inches of an existing 1~)-foot public utility easement located at l~il South Kinqsley Street~ in I.ot 1~~~ Tract No. ~+1i12, to permit installAtlon of a swimm(ny pool~ t~as been reviewsd by all departrr-ents of tlic City and affected outside ayencies and approval is recommen~led by the Public Works Jepartn-ent, EnGineering Divislon. ~t was noteci tt~at the Planning Directo~ or his authorized representative has deCermined tl~at the proposed pro,ject falls within the defl~ition of Cat~eq~rical Exemptions~ Class 5~ ~s defined in p~~ragraph 2 of the Clty of Anal~efm Env{ronmental impact Report Guldelincs and is~ therefore~ categaricaliy exempt from thc rec~uireme~nt to prepare an EIP., ACTION: Commissioner Kin~ offered a motion, seconded by Commissioner David and MnTION CARRIED, that the Anaheim City Planniny Gommission does tiereby rccommend to the City Counci) that Abando~~ent Mo, 77-20A~ to abandon a public utiiity easement at 141 South Kinysley Street~ b~~ ,~ppraved. F. CONUITIO~~AL USC PERMIT N0. itSl~ - Request from City Council for further revlew. Annika Santalahti~ Assistant Uirector for Zoning~ expl3ined thet the Planning Commission had granted Cond(tional Use Permit No. 1315 at their meeting of March 27. 1918~ to permit a racquetball facil(ty, subJect tu the condition that subject property shall be d~veloped substa~tially in accordance with plans and specifications on file with the City of Anaheim marked Exhibit Nos. 1 and 2. She explained the City of Duena Park would be proviciing services and had expressed some concerns over the fact that n~ restroom factlities were proposcd. The pctitioner had explained to the Clty Council his desire to delete restrooms since this will be a self-service facility and maintenance end secu~ity ~f rsstrooms would present problems. 7he City Council has requested further ~ecommendation from the Planning Commission. 5/22/78 ,.... .~.._,.....~..,.,..~.~ ~d r ! MINUTES~ ANAIiCIM CITY PLIINNING COMHISStoN~ MAY 22~ 1978 1~"39B ITCM F (cantinuad) Tt~e Commlssion brf~fly discussed tt~is rnetter~ end it was tl~e consensus of opinlon th~t since rastrooms are requtred by tfie Building Code~ they must be constructed since no walver of code requirem~ent is poss~ble. ACTI011: G~mmisslaner Unvid offcred a motlon~ secon~led by Comm(ssioner ~err~PS r~nd MOT~ON CA~ Rf E D UNAIJ I MOUSLY ~ tli~ c the Anal~e i m G 1 ty P 1 ann i ny Commi ss i on does recomnend to the C 1 ty Council that It was th~:ir orlqin~l tntent In appr~ving ttie proJect that restroom facllities would be constructed in 3ccordance with all annit~A~~te building c~des. ITLM Np. 12 A~TC~.'~~A~C N I LLS I DE 5 1 TE: DEVCLOPMENT STANUARQS A. N nlmum lut area in the RS-~IS- ~3,r)~)Q Zonr.. li. Minlmum c~ntiguous lot arca in thc RS-HS-~a3,~~~~ RS-115~22~Q!1p~ and RS-HS-1~~000 Zones. C. M(nimum l~t widtli and frontagc ~n thc RS-HS-<<3~~)~~, RS-HS-2?.~~~!)~ and RS-HS- 10~00Q Zones. U. Mtnimum structural setback and yard requirements from prlv~tc strFets and eccessways and eryuestrian easemencs in the Ft5-H5-43,n~)~1 and RS-HS-22~OQ0 Zones. SECTION A _._.__.._.. Annika Santalahti~ Assistant Dlrector for Zon(ng~ explained that Sectlon A of tl~e staff report to the Planniny Commissi~n dated May 22, 1~7~s c~v~rs thc minimum lot are~ in the RS-HS-43~Q()0 Zone~ prirnarily in the Peralta -iills arca; that several weeks ago staff had brought a recummen~ation to the Commisslon thet t~~c Z~ning Code be ar.-ended to exclude private streets and access easements~ as weil as public streets~ from the net 1ot area; that until about one year ago the rec~uirement of ths zone stated the one acre applied to a~ything~ including public streets; and that tf~e City Council had directed staff to amend tl~e code to exclude public streets~ and no reference was made to exclude ~riv~te streets. She indlcat+ed it was her feeling it had been Council's intent ta take the prlvate streets out of the net lot area, but Commission had co~cerns over h~w ihis might impact the rest of the area; namely~ would thcre be a number nf lots that might become nonconforming. She stated a survey had been ~one rev~cwing all the lotg in the Pcrnlta Nills area and it was determined that if the code were amended to state "net one acrP excludiny private and publfc streets~" ahout 18~ of the lots wouid be nanconforming~ that is~ a net area snaller ttian one acre in size. She stated the Nill and Canyon Municipal Adviso ry Cort~nittee (IiAGMAG) had considered this and representatives of the Peralta Hills areo have revtewed the matter, .~nd (t was th~ir conse~sus l'hat the ~±et lot ar~a should be one acre~ exluding batti public an~i private streets, Camrnissioner Linn offered a mation that the Plenning Commission reccxnmend to the City Councl) that staff recumrtuendation (a) be adopted fo~ ttie minirnum lot area in the RS-tiS- 43,000 Zone. Gommissioner Johnson ctarifi~d recomme~dation (a) would mean if a person has two or threc acres and wanted to subdivide it and lacked Just a few feet~ a varianc~• would be required. Ne stated this was contrary to the opinion and the understanding made with the City 10 ar 12 years ago when Peralta Hills had been annexed to the Ctty. H~e indicated he owned proporty in the area~ but he did not feel he had enough of a conflict to drop out of the discussion. He stated he was quite surprised with this report from ttie proRerty own~rs in 5/22/78 r ~ MINUTE`~~ ANAtIEIM CITY PI.ANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ i~78 7$•399 RESID~NTIAL HILLSIUE SIT~ UEVELOPMENY STANDARD~ (continued) the area ~nd pointed out tl~at when tl~c zaniny we~s RS-kn~OQ(1 there I~ad been no problems~ but when it was changad to RS-HS--+3~40q~ It put a lot nt peaple into a differnnt cetehory~ end that 1t~6 nonconfarminc~ lots is a pretty high number and it wnuld be very dtfflcult to hang the rnst of the d or 10 property owncrs. Commissloner ~3arnes esk~d, in the past yeA~ since this Council pollcy has been in effect~ how nany humes have been dwveloped~ anJ Annik~ SantalAhtl pointed aut no lots I~ad baen ap~roved for subdivisiun that have Included ~~ ~+rivate~ rec~rded strcec witl~in the one acre~ but Ylie did not know f~ow mery hcxnes have been develo~ed. Comniss(~ner aarnes IndlcaC~d she saw this as a vcry simple mattcr; that this should be a clarificotfon of the Council nalicy ancf it would be qrossly unfalr to those ~eople who havc developeJ in accordar-ce wi :1~ th~ Counci 1 pol ic.y to chen~~e tlie stand~~r~is at this pain~. Commissioner Johnsc~n ~tate:: I~e was only aware of one situation wh(ch had ca~ased a loi of concern for the property avner~ who was one of Analie:im's pi~neers, when -ie had heen required to buy a few mare feet of property in order to subdividr_ after tl~is pollcy had becomc effect~ve. Ccxnmissioner Flerbsl referred ta the list of existiny property owners in the staff report wl~o have subdiviaion potential and i~~dicaked I~e did n~~t tl~inb, it would be fair to penalize a p roperty owner wl~o thinks he has five lots and has to put In a private street a~d e~ids up with four lots yuite a bit lar<~er than an mc-e. f~e pointed out 1Rx af the lots er'e nonconforminy alre~dy and this woulc9 be denying rights wt~ich have bee:n allowed. Cl~alrm~n Tolar asked Corrnnissioner Johnson if recommendation (b)woulc~~~ closer to what was ayrecd upon when Pcrzlta 11111s was annex~~i into tt~e City~ anJ Commissioner Johnson replied he supposed it woula be. Commissloner Johnson polnted ~ut thc lots had becn divided originally with the thought in mind that they could br_ subdivided at a tater dete whe~ the zoning was for 40,OOQ square feet and witl~ the chanye to RS-11S-43.~00 zaning~ problems have been created for certain property owners. Ne diJ not feel forcing some~ne to live on almost two acres of land was tl~e solution. Canrnlssioner Linn poin[c:d out he was concerred that a property vwner with 2.9 acres would be asking to subdivi~~ into thrce lot~, and i,r.nika SuntalahCi pointed ~ut he wauld not be permitted ta subdivide 2.~1 acres into three lots in any case since he would atways have to have a gross recorded lot of ~~3,5G0 square feet. Commissioner 1lerbst pointed out tiie staff re:port indicates ttiere are quite a few existing nonconforminy lots a~d this me~ns telling the property owners who wish to develop in the future they cannot have the sane pivileges granted to others. Commissioner ksarnes felt it would not be fair to those people who have had to buy more property to allow people in the future to develop with less than the required acreage. She felt the Planniny Commission has e~•ugh handle if they go along with Council policy to farce the large develupers to develop the area the way it should be developed. Cwnmissioner Herbst ind(~ated he did not think the Council had had the i~formation in front of ther~~ when they made thls change concerning the 48 nonconformi~g lots in the a~ea. 5/22/78 MI NU7E.,~ ~~N1111C IM CITY PLANN ING COMMISS ION. MAY 22~ 197~ y8-400 RE~ I DENT I AL H I LLS l pE S I TE DEVFLOPMENT STAN OAROS (con t( nucd) Comrnissir~ner Barnns was df sturhesd becauYe she thcuyht some of the nanc~nforminy lots were new ~levelopmonts and wondc red how tl~ey werc approved. Annika SanLalahCl polntc~f out that~ ~~+s far os she~ kncw~ no lots I~ad been re~c~rded as percels duriny the last year since ti~e coda was ~mencied to state "one acre excluding pul~llc streets" 1ns:c~:.ti~1 e.t "one acre inclu~ling publlc s~rr.ets." ShQ explAlned it wrs I~er u~derstandl~g that the Gou~cll had intend~d the chsnge .c~ lnclude all stree~s, both puhlic and private; tnerefore. quesGlr~ns hove ari sen fr~m developers regardlnq statf's Inturpretatlon of tl~e code; wl~iel~ is 4j~!;E,O square feet would be ttie minimum lot size~ provided, liowever~ that publlc anJ priv~tF ~trccta m~y br. Included to thc rxtnnt thAt 1+0~ SGO is the net lot sixe, Commissioner Johnson po(nted out that wuuld be close to the understanJing ~~ the praperty awners i n tlie ~; Pa. He ra inted uut one ~evc loper had real ly abus~d th~ p~ icy and thet was the rcasun thc Counci l haJ sat forth this polity~ to ~~et better devcl~prxsnt from that one d~veloper~ anJ it ~IiJ r~ot apply to thc~se twc %~nd three-acr~. property owners. Jan ~lal I~ r~~res~nting t~nenne, pofnted out th~rc is a Pcralt~~ ~II Ils Nomcowners /lssoclat{nn member who has had mcetinys with the asso~iatlon and ha~i come back with an offtc(al endorsement from the Pcral ta Ili lls flornec~wners Associatian for thr most stringent of the recorm~cnclatirms ~[hat i s~ recommunJat ion (a) . Commissioner Jo~inson p~~inted nut this was contr~~ry to .+hat. hc would fecl; that the hamcawners associatinn is mndc up of inembers wha livc the-•e ~~nd wh~sc properties are dev~loped, a~~d nut the pe~~ple w~~o ;ti I1 havc propercy to t~e developed~ and that woui;~ be tt~e reason for the discrenancy; ard tliat input from these smal 1 prop~rty owners 1 isted would be an enti rcly di fferent vicwr. Jan tiall assured Cflmmi~sioner Jofinson ttiat if a variance was requr.sted~ the pcople who 1(ve there would be op~oscd to the rcques t. Gommissionc~ Ne~bst indicated he fclt there •.~ould be a lot of requests for variances If tt~is straic~ht 43,000 square feet is approved; that ~~e egrised with Cammissioner Johnson and polnt~d uut l~ib of the I~ts are nonconforming, and i f som~~one cnnK~ in ~ssking for a var(enc;c ner.t [o a 39~00~ squarc fooi lat, the Cornm~ssion would havc a hard time denying him the same riyht; that in dlscussine~ the '~~i,0~~ v~rsus cne 43~,~~0 square foot lot~~ you ~rould not be able to tcl l tlie difference in l~t size from tlie strcet anyway. lynn kluffingtvn~ represenclny HACMAC, aslced thc Cormisslon if they reslly felt it is a problem to al low the nonconforming lots ttie abi I i ty to have a variance; that what is being discussed notiv is a ch.~nge or clarification in ttie ordinance for the future development~ aRd a~y t i me you changc a~ ord i nance ~ yo~ w i I 1 1 eave some s I t uat i ons wtie re they w i 1 I have co t~ave a variance. !le pc~lnted out tt~is cl~anc~e would affect any 43,OQ~ development in the City and there are 14~000 acres from Anat~e6m to the Riverslde County line which will be affected by the chanc~e. He pointed nut, again~ ttiat Mrs. P(nson from the Peral*.a -ii l ls Hom~owners Asso ation nad inJicated the ir opinion that tl~e rrx~st stringe~t recommendat+on bc adopted; _nd tliat ttiey -vould rather deal wlth tt~ose sltuat'ons where there is a ha~dship on an individuai basis. I~e poi ~ted out Peralta I~I11;; seems to be developing into the tennis cap i to) of th~ wor! d~ and you cannot do i t on Iess th~n an acre and, 1 n fact, khe lots need to be 35 large as pcssstble. Chairman Tolar point~d ~~et someone with a ten-acre percel Is not going to bP coming In for a hardship; that they ca~ develup it into nine lots and there will not be any merit for a 5/~?./78 ~- ~ MI~~UTES~ AI~AHEIM CITY PI,ANNINC COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 197~3 78•40) RESIDENTIAL HILLSIDE SITE DEVELOPMEN? STANDARDS (contl~ ued) herdship. He referred to the situetton whe~e a property ownnr wltl~ 1.9 acres I~ad had a le.yitlmate hardshlp and thc Pereite Flllls 1lomeowners As sociativn had opposed it ond he h~d to buy mnre land. and he felt the Peralta Illlls liom~aw ner~ Assoctation was not being consistent. Ne (ndicated he could sup~+ort the most st-ingent reconmendati~n as long as there t~ some room for a ho~dship. Ccxnmisslo~er Iiarncs potntcd ~ut that in the p~st thosr prapcrty owncrs heve been ablo to purchASe the extra property; that the 1r~nJ ts se) I iny for 51;~~~QOQ per acre and ten years a~,~o i t s~ld for S2;~000 an acr•e; tfiet pe~ple who I~t+ve come befo~e the Commission And Cuun41 ; have bee~ ab le t~ buy thc extr,~ acrcag~ anJ i f there is A CASQ whe!rR they cennot buy the lend~ thc Planning Commtssion cauld yr~~nt a ve ~iance, Commisstoner Lin~ indicated t~e sup~~~rts for tl~~: Counei 1's lntent for the future dsvelopment; ti~at if sorr~one has 2.!3 acres and Is surrounded corr~letely and wr~nts to develop int~ thrae lots~ then it ould be loc~keci at at thnt paint. Cammi ss i ~ne r I~e rb s t~~s ked i f tl~:~ PP r~, l ta 11 t I 1 s Homeownc rs Assoc 1 a t i on had secn the s tudy prepar~d by staff~ and Jan I~all repliecl they had seen thc study. It was noted the City Counci) has nat seGn thc study. Commissioner ~ernes polnteci out that one property she +s aware of has einht acres on Crescent Ur(ve and lias deNeloped hts property accordinc~ to the standards~ and o;,her developers in the area liave developr,d accnrdinq t~ the strndards. Shc Indlceted she had received five phone calls frexn pe~ple in the Peralta Nills arra and a visit from Nrs. Pinsan~ who had salJ s'~e liad contacted ~7 people and o~ly about four of them did not show any interest and thc rest were very vehement about wan ting che most acrearye they could yet. Clialrman Tolar polnted out this ~s not ttie orviy o~,~-acre est~ite lots to be developed to the Riversiclc County line~ ~nd Conmissfon~:r Herbst poi~trd ~ut therc is flexib(11ty on lot sizes in ~ther ~ones. He indicated he di~.f not thln~ the G~-~nct) had these ftgures in f ront of them when they rnade c~~ i s ~ol i cy ~ and they mi ght havc looked at i t in a d( f ferent w~y ~ and hc fe 1 t the ord i nanc~: needs f 1 exi b i I i ty because lie di d not 11 ke to see peop 1 e coming in `or variances if they did not have ta~ and f elt tFils would be creating pubjic heari nys . Gommissioner Barnes ask~J Commissfoner Nerbst wH~at fles:ibi lity f~e sew in the future in Anaheim l1111s in the estatc zone; that the Pldnn(nq CommissioR is being Attacked becsus~ tl~ey do not have gulcielines. She felt the Planning CaKnm(sslon is in ~ F~sition to tel{ the de•ieiovers Chat tliis is what the Commission means t~y or~e acre~ 43~5n0 square feets that these :,re the standards and unless there is a tremendous hardship, n~t to ask for o~e. She p~intea aut that on a two-acre lot if a persun tias :nouyh acreage, then there could tir sc+me flexibf licy allowed and ~'elt the Planning Cortmiss(c.~ should take a stand so tl~at the developers would know what is neant by tht code. Cartmissioner Johnson poinied out the packa~e as tt i~ w;itte.n has onr disadvantaye; that he hsd been on tl~e Commission for a numbcr of years and i~as always fuught for larger lots; that the only time he gets concerned is when it is contrary to the development as original ly lald out; that he 1 ikes the bigger lats ~ but when you h~ve sc~rtiett,:ng laid out 1 ike Peral *a Ili 1 ls and the deeds are drawn up wi th the Intention of breakir,g tham into one-acrs I~ts~ this w~uld be contrary ~~ the lntrntto~ of the develnpment that was startea in the area~ and this aoul~ be bureau~ in fufl bloom; and that there may be people who do nat want to subdivide and like to Iive o~~ a three- acre parcel. He indicated it is not 5/22/7g ~~ MI NUTES ~ ANAIIE IM CI TV PI.ANNI NG COMMI55 ION ~ MAY 22 ~ 1'~78 78-402 Rk:SIDENTIAL HILLSIDE SITE DEV~LOPME~~T STAf~DARUS (contlnued) s~ easy t~ ,yran t a va r i ance beceusn Fe ra 1 ta -1 I I I s 1 s •~ays vel~emen t on va r I ances ~ cven for one-tcnth of an (nGh~ and (t wl l) nat be so Qasy <<~ tek~ earc of 13 pe,~p1G through approval of a varlance. He indicated t~e dtd not feel it was pr~~~~~~r ta rr.~ uire a lr~ndownor tp purchese more property when he had owned ti~e lot for 2a or 30 years ~ t~~inking he would bo able to subdlvldQ i t at e later dote. Chalrman Tolar p~lnted out ttie adJacent nroperty awner can put the price prettY hlgh when a property owner is required tn purchase that property for development. Commtssioner linn indicate:d [hat since there w~re only about 12 probl~m propertles, ~:nd th (s would aftect liundreds of acres left co b~ developed~ he wes more concerned about ~he hundreds of acres left. Chalrmen Tolar pointeJ out that a motion liad been r~dde. AC~TI,ON: Commtssioner Llnn remade the motion,second~d by rommissioner dernes and MOTION CARRIEU (Commissloncrs Herbst, K(ng and Jchnson vntln~~ no). tl~at the Planning Commiss(on recomn~nd t~ thr. Ci ty Counci I that staff's recomn~cndation (a) be approved. Annika Santalahtl explalned the Cl~y Attorney wauld prepare the eode amendment and It woul~ be reviewed by HACMAC before going to City Counci I i~ approximately stx w~eks. secrio~~ ~ _.________ Anii(ka Santalahtl explalned that Section E3 refers ta the minimum eontigunus loC ar~a ln the R5~H5-4~,UOU~ RS-NS-22.00~1, and H5•HS-10~00~ Zancs. She stAted that several h~llside tracts recently cansidered by the Planning Commission have included lots sp) it by publ ic or prlvate streets ~ ar~d i t has been the consensus tliat the ~equ( red mi nimum lot area shuuld be a r..ontiyuous parcel of land so as to providr. tl~e grcatcst possible us,~bility and open space benefit to the future rPside~ts of the prnperty. ACTION: C~nissioner Nerbst offered a mation~ s~canded by Cormissioner David ancf MOTION AR ( ED UNAt~ I MOUSL~ , tha t the Anahe i m C i ty P I ann i ng Commi ss i on does h~ rcby d( rect the C i ty Council ta Rrepare an or~inance amendin~ the RS-H5-43,400, RS-HS-22,O~f1~ and RS-HS-IO,OOQ Zones by adding that the minimum lot area~ exclusive of pub 1(c st reets and pubitc accessway easements~ shall consist of continuous land area wh(ch may not be dfvided lnto two or more portions by such streets or accessways. SEGTION C .-.._.....r. Anntka Santaiahtl explatncd tfiac the re~~rt prepa~~d by Anahel~n Hilis, Inc., prlmarily perta(ned to the RS-H5~11)~~00 Zone and that the unL-mcre zoning was a recommondat(on of rcpresentatives of the Peraita Hi I ls area made at the IIACMAC meet i~g. She briefly discussed tho staff report and noted several corrections. She ;. ~inted out there was one acid(tiona) point she would like tn add~ that being the way tot wi dth ~h~uld be calculatcd, ar•d she felt it shouln t~e c~lculated at tl~e building setback Ilne and not at the street frontac~e~ and that NACMAC felt minimum iat widtiis should be the same f~r cul-de-sac lots and regular lots. Commissioner Herbst refe~red to the RS-HS-43~000 lot width ~equirement and tf~e NACMAC recc~rnnendatton that the wldtt~ be 1~+0 Feet~ allowing 5$ of 20-foot panhandle lots; that In looking at the: one-acre developments~ the posslbi l ity of having all s~andard 140-foot lots (n the hl l lside standards would be unusual and that some f Ie;cibi 1 ity should be a! <<,~wed, 5122/7~ ~~ P MINUTES~ ANAt1EIM CITY PLAriNING COMMISSION~ t7AY 22~ 197~ 78-4~3 RES I DENT I AL 1~ 1 LLS I UE S 1 Tf. DEVELOPMEtIT STAI~DAROS (con t i nu~d) ~ - and sugqested thc rccammendattc-n should reari that th~ hillside standard of 14q feet lot width down to not less than 100 fae~. Lynn uufflnc~ton pointe d oux this recommendatlon hed come directly from the Peralt~ lillls Nameowners Assoc~otion. Anniks Se~telahtl pointe d out tha~~ by fer~ the maJority (ndslly ~5~) of the lots do excaed 1l~0 feet~ and son~e of tFie ~ecent subdivisir~ns are running about 1G1+ feet. Commissioner Herbst fel t tt~e terrAin would be far different in the tAnyon then (n the perelta Hi l ls erQa~ and thAt I f develonm~ ~c fs tled to 1t~0-foot lots~ thcn i t wl l l bc hnrd ta develop~ and duc to th~ stceC terrain ,1-c flexibility shauld bc allowed and sugge~tPd It could he 1bQ-fc~o~ a verage [o not less than lOQ f~et, thcrefore~ some wauld have Co be 2i)c1 fect in ordcr to meet the 1~i0~fAQl Average. Commtssioner ~arnes tndicated RS-i~~000 lots havc to be 10Q feet wtde, And now we are saying one-acre si tes have to b~ 1-~0 feet wide. Sh~e inJ(cated she could see r tract that looks Ilke an RS-!;0~0 tract l ined up along the st~eet wl th y0~0 fr.et dawn the hi 11 to rt-ake up the one-acre sitc~ a~d felt thc f' ~Ibility would create prohlems. Commissloner Herbst pointed out this would be an average of 14~ feet~ not less than 10f1 feet, so th~y wo~ld have [o go ove~ In some places to ma'ce up the difference. There was a brlef dlscussfon r~garding l•he 1~-0-foot lot ~idtli~ with Cheirma~ Tolar pointing out he felt~ disregarding Perolta lii 1!s, if ttie ~ommisslon goes to mini~num lot frnntages~ there wi 11 be a lot more grading b~cause oT cerr~fn. Phi ; i~ Bettencourt agreed ancl pointed out the rest of [he terr.~(n ln the canyon makes Peraita liills look like flatland. Lynn auffinr~ton pointeci out IiACMAC had conclucied ttiat qraciinr~ of a one-acre lot does nnt ( nc 1 ude the en t i re 1 a t; tha t you g rade J us t th e a rea fo r thc hous e and ga rage, and tha t would not cf~ange anyway; that where City ardinances requtre every lot to drain to the street~ problems occu~; that they have seen some subdivlsians with adcquatc dralnagc wi thout dral ni ng ta the street and i f that were done~ you wo•~l d nat sec the I ncreased grading~ it Is wherc~ you I~ave Cn drain all the water out to the strcet thaL a lut of yrading is requi ~ed. Chairn~an Tolar feltthat the drainaye could be met by allawing some flexlhility in the ordlna~ce. ratl~er than saying you f~ave to ~rain all water to the stree[~ and Mr. Buff ( ngton r•ep! i ed they woul d 1 i ke to se~e the f 1 exi b i 1 i Ly ~ I~ut NACM/1C woul d 1 i ke to see t t 200 feet down to lOrl fect ~attier tl~an 1~i0 feet dawn to 1A0 feet; that they fcl t the one- acre iots need wide f:-,~ntage to create the proper effect. Commissio~er Nerbst referred t~ rievelopments in the~ Rive~si~e and Norco areas on one-acre sites with 1G0-foot wide loks; that they are quite decp ~nd are on reasonably t~at land, but that the Coimnission is looking at a low-density area ~nd further out tn the canyon he would nc~t be surprlsed to see five~~acrc lnts, but that if the developer has flexibility on one-ac.: esxate lots~ he would be allowed to foll~r the t~rroin and eliminate some of the grading possibilities. Cortimissioner Barnes suggested alla~ing more Ranhandle lot~ which wauid allow dev~elopmants that do not look ltke RS-500~ tracts. 5/22/78 rd d ~. MINUTES~ ANAHEIM CITY PLANNINf, CQMMIS510~1~ MAY 22. 1978 78-404 RES I UE NT Il1l H I LLS I DE S I TE: DEVELOPMENT S'1'ANDARDS ( con t I nued) Annika Santalahtl pointed out ther~ are very few panhandln lots In the Mahle~' O~Ive dovel~pnrents ~r~d HAGMAG had discussed a ren,ye uf ~~ tu 10$~ an~f her persona) opinio, was that S~ is quite re~lisxtc end tt~e pr~blem would be where th~ developer has less than 10 lots; it he had only elylit lots~ he could not rt~et tl~e 5b or 1~`t, restrlction a-~d wll) ha.•- to rnquest a vorlance. Corr,missioner 8arncs stat~d that allaving mare panhandlc lots would allaw the doveloper to accomplisr~ what he wonts to dr.velap and allow him to cicvelop the trsr.t In the way the Plannlny Commisslon would Ilke t~ see it, and that the marketplace is there for the buyers of theso panl~andle lots s(ncc they seem ta go first~ and she iid nat feel the 5~ figure was h1 gh enou<~h. Commissloner Linn asked Philln E3ettencourt t~is opinion of the latest rec~mmendatton of 140 ,`eet averaye fr~nlaye luts with 10o panhandle lots. Philip kiettencourt stated a dcvcloper woulJ have tu have tcn lots in order to have a panhanJle lut an~i rnaybc thls was tt~e way the Com~ission ~~anted to go. 11e stated tl~e property owners in both the Pcralt~ Ilills ~nd Mohler Driwe arc~+s arc In and have what they w.int and would not want anything ta intrude r~n thcir way ~f 1(fe. Ile suggested the limitatlons could apply to thc~se subd(visions wixh ten lots or more~ which would prateet the Peralta Ilills area. Ne referred to a RS-HS-7.2~~4~ tract with average 1ot trontages pf 112 feet~ which contains a lat with a 31'fo~t frontage with a magnificent view which would not have been iegal with tf~(s Ghanye; tfiat it is an unqraded lut on a knoll and to create the type of fror agc r~quired by tl~is changc~ would havc required a lot of qrading. Chairman Tolar indlcated Fie cSid n~t understanci why all of a sudJen the Pla~ning Commisslon feels (t Is necessary to put frontages on these lots. I~e indic.~+ted he had looked at the slides as pr;.:~~nted today and had driven out to thc Anaheim flills area and could not figure out what it ls the Plannin~7 Commisston is doing so wronc~ that they need to cl,angc the ord(nance; tt~at he thought the arca i~ very pretty. Commissioner Barnes lndicated she felt the concern is because the tr~~rcts have been coming in with smallPr and smaller lot frontages and the developers say chere are no standards~ that the ordinance says 2~+ feet, and that is all it says~ and they dn not want to hear the explanatton that the 24 feet pertatns to flag lots. Gha(rman Tolar indicated it was hts feeliny these change~ would be putting a moratorlum on building in Lhe canyon area; that there are problems now with selltng homes in the canyon and the ordinance should allnw flexibility in order for developers to build in this area. Phillp Bettencourt pointed out that with the requirement for a street qrade not to exceed 12~ which is not welconed or ~~$ which Is more acceptable~ which is a fix on the development af the land and to create pad areas under Lh~e grading ordinances~ the pad areas adJacent to the street grade mean an enorm~us amount of grade difference and tf the developer is going to have to have his yteld and meet the street gradc standards~ he is going to havc to do a lot of grading. i.ynn Buffington stated it seemed to be the general feeling of the people who itve in this area that there is a trend tawards developers asking for smaller lots and this is what is going to happen~ and nobddy 1s un~ealistic enough to sit and look at the General Plan map end believe that all 14~d00 acres of that property are going to develop rs estate zoning; that the market will dictate the chang~ and the Plannir~ C~mmt,sion will see innovative plans for cluster housing with more open space, etc.~ and they did not feel the inflated 5/22/78 MINUTES~ ANANEIM CITY PLPNNING COMMISSION~ 1~1AY 22~ 1978 78-405 RCSIDEN7IAL NILLSIDE SITE DEVELOPMENT STANUARpS (continued) situation in the c~nyon at tl~c pres^nt time tl~at has slowod developmcnt down is all thAt bad. Ne stateci NAI.H~G has delved Into the sarvices end the q~i~iity ~f the services and had talked wlth the police chlef and utilitles people. etc.. about what is happening in the ares~ and they wauld Ilkn to sre developmQnt move olong, but tl~ey w~uld also llke to soe services provided f~r the peo~~le there. Ile painte~ out Anahetm Nllls~ Inc. hes askeci to lnc~e~se thi5d°ointYtobl~iappenrand~theyuAre'cJoingntoU eveftot~accept ~~d th~t I~ACMAC belleves that ~ ) Commissloner Jnhnson r~ferred to tracts nf RS-10.n00~ RS-22~Q00~ and RS-540~ whPre they all wind up wlth abouc t~ie same wldth lc~ts; tiiat you cannot toll from looking at the street wl~~ther or not it was an RS-a00Q or RS-22~OA~ pic:c of property and if the markeC so bends that RS-10~000 sites arc all that ~~re golnc~ to sell~ then th~t is whc+[ shou'd bc bullt. ~le st+~tcd he cfld not see any problcm with puttinc~ nx~re stringent restricttons an these bigger lots and was not concerned that it would lncrrase the nrading, and referred t~ the fact that tt~ey have corr~letely red~ne the landsc~pe In relatlonship to the land that was thcre thrheseehousa'~~and~R5C5~~,hous~~starcuyoin~sto~sel l,xlthen tl~ati Istwhat 'S not a market for t sli~uld be bui lt. ACTION: Commissioner Ncrt,st offered a rtx~tion, seconded by Commissloner Linn and MOTI(1N IED UNANIMOUSLY~ that thc Anahetm City Planniny Commisslon recommends to the City Counci 1 tleat tl~e n,lnimu~ lot ~.~idtt~ and fronta~)e in the aS-NS-~+3,00~ and RS-A-22~000 zones be amended tc~ ~~'~m ofei t1/j~G(,~~'~foot panhandler~l~c~its,be allovredut not less than 125 feet, and that a maximu 3 Annika Santal~ihtl explaineJ thc current regul~'~tions for the RS-IIS-22~0~0 Zone is 1`, feet wi~ich pertains to panha~~~t~an13~sfeet bceallowed nbut~allc~wing~+5ti~'O~foottparhandleelots,~f 1Q0 feet wi th none less Commissioner Llnn offee~~essmthan^855fcetdbe allc~w diSwithe33B~~3~g,ZOhfoo[nC-anl~andle~lots 1Q0 foot lots with non allawed. Ly~n Buffingto~ ~inte~ out the ~~ figure for the aanhandle lots h~d been a t~ot~Y Ne contestcd ~~ehere haverbeennsomedgross vialat Q snwith~the~nariow lotsaandeh~~did not fcel pointcd out C L.his 33'1/3b figure would be acceptable. Ptiilip Bettencourt pointed out the 35'foot minimum would preclude any cul-de-sacs. Commissioner Linn felt allowing more panhandle lots would rr~ean less cul-de-sacs. and Mr. Getxencourt pointed o~t the 65•fo~t frontaye is an ext~o~bitant amount of frontage on a c~l-dp-sac and referred ta the example 22,U~0 tract with an average of 112-foot lot width~ but there are 32 er~d 35•foot lat frontagcs whtch are se~viced by private cul-de-sacs~ and this 85-foot flyure would praclude any cul-de-sacs. Commissioner He.rbst polnted r,ut they were talking al,out the measurement from the house line ~ather than from the property lina. Ne polnteci out less froniages are ,.~lowed on cul-de-sacs in other a6e~~s. and ~^Widthsenn~cultdepsacsedwhichtis technically9therminlmurti. refercnce to allowi~g foot Commi ss loner .Johnsnn f s t reet wbutd that98Qdfeeta 1 si w1 dehwhcns ta 1 ki ng, aboutea cul f detsac. narrow for a stralght ~ 5/22/7a ~ ~ ~ MI~IUTLS, ANArIEIM CITY PLANNIN ~ COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 191~ 78-40G RESIDENTIAL HILLSIDE SITE D~~.YELpPMENT STANOARQS (tcntlnued) Ms. Santalol~tt polntad ~ut cul-de-sac lots ~.,~idcn out and calculnting nt thc l~uil 'fng setbeck glves some advantp~7~s. The Commission discussed whether -~r not the cul-de-sac lots sfiould be Includecl In the calculatlons for the averages~ with ~~mm(ssloner Llnn indfcating he felt it should be included~ wlth minlmum frontages on cul-de-soc lots of fi0 feet. Commissioner Johnsun potnted out a pASSibility of a developcr comtnc~ In and putting ln e cul-de-sac with scven Nanhandle lots off tlie cul-dc-sac~ and asked if that would be pOSS Ih lr Jack White, Deputy City Attorney~ point~d out that ~~ith a 6~-foot minlmum cul-dc-sac lot~ the developer co~~ld n~t have the penhandle lots. Canmfssioner Iiarnes indicated sl~e felt there has to bc an averege and tti~t ctie cul-cle-sac lots have to be included tn the av~ragc~ and felt this would allow a lot of flexibility. Commissloner Nerbst suggested that a s[ipulation cuuld be includ~~~ that na mc~re th~n two panha~dle lots would be allowed on any cui-de-sac. Lynn Buffington puinted out that wlth a little bit of ima~ination a developer co~ld make a mockery of this recommendat3on by designing ~ne-tf~ird of his houses ~n paniit~ndle lots. He polnted out not every devcloper would take thc tlme and spend the moncy Anahcim Hills~ Inc. has to mnke a good develo~ment (n chis area~ and tha[ this would be building in too much flexibtlity. Annika Santalahtl referred to a development ln tiuena Park off Malvern wherF the lots are 72~0 to 10~~OQ square fcet~ and it appears from the view sidc the~/ are SO-S~; there Is a regular l~~t with two ~anhandle: lots immediately in back of the regula~ lot~ and the vlew driv(ng down the street ts that there are a lot of driveways and there is a lat of room hetwecn houses~ but that you are only lnoking at the front half of the development, but that (n this case we are talking about much lar9er lots. Lynn Buff(ngton pointed out the maJor oroblem with cul•de~sacs is the parkl~g. and Commissloner Barnes pointed out on panhandle lots thare Is parking on the drlveway which would ellmi~~ate part of the street ~.+arl:ing problem. Knawlton Fernald tndlcated it would be imposstble to have all panhandle lots or flag lots eround a cul-de-sac since ydu have to have something to go around; that you could have lots on the front and panhandle lats going back to thc lots behind those lots, but thet you could not have more than two or three~ or possibly four, in a larger cul-de-sac. Mr. Fe rnald felt that alla~ing flexibility would allow the developers to desiyn projects utilizing more af the te~rain. Lynn auffinyton indicated he was stlli concerned about the 33-1/3~ panharidle lots; that as a developer he agrees with the filexibility~ but he thought the idea of this hearing was to try to form mo~n ciefinite guidelines and that by creating more flexibility, It would not provide the definlte guldeitnes needed. Ne pointed out everyane agrees on the fact that there should ba some panhandle lots~ but they disagree on the number. Commissioner Ba~nes pointed out the Planning Commission is trying to get RS-22,060 dcvelopments that do ~ot look like R5-5000 developments; that they want widE widths on the ,/22/ )8 i~ , MINUTES~ ANAHEIM CITY PLANNIN6 COMMI~SION~ MAY 22. 1978 78'~+07 RES I OENT I AL 111 LLS I DE S I TE: DEVELOPMEN'f ST 1NDARDS (c:ont 1 nued) lot~~ but do not want to penallze tFc developer and cause rn~re ,yrading~ and that is why the flexibility with the panhandle lots appeals ~o her. Commissioner Nerbst pAlnted out that tf a develop~r has a one-acre l~t wit~i one-third panhandle lots allvwed, then he would havc one-th~rd of ~ne acre, but If he It. devei~ping 30 acres in half-acre luts~ he wn~~id be allaved tan panhendle lots. and polnted out he felt tt~e numbe~ of flag lots al~ w+~d should be cut dc~wn to about 15$ s~ that he would have the same emount of flay lots or the same proportion~ but ~~t twice as many. Commissio~er Linn felt th~ number shoui.' be cut to 207, hecaus~ of the terratn. Lynn Buffington polnted out tfie feellny of HACMAL was that 10`$ should be allowed~ but that scxne po i n ts had been t, ruuyh t~~p by tne P I ann 1 nq Commi s s t on th~t HACMAC had not cons i de red . AGTION: Commisslo~~r Linn reoffered his motion, seconded by Com~~ssiuner Dav1J and MOTION ~~p UI~AI~IMOUSLY~ that tn the RS-NS-22,000 Zone I~ts aver~~~e 100 feet ~~Ith none less than $; feet a1lc~wcd~ and tf~Pt 2!)w 2Q-fout panhandlc lots ~n a) lawed, wl [li only [wo panhandle lots allowed ~~e:~ cul-de-sac. Annika ~antalahti explained the RS-NS-10~Of1~ Zone wlth the Clty of Anaheim requirements and the U.M.6A. and HACMl~C recorm~ndati~ns. Phillp aettencourt explalnr' che Anaheim Hills. Inc. recommendation tliat lot frontaqes must averaye 7~ feet or rnore; that no more than 1Q$ could have frnnta~P of 50 feet or less~ not includinq the panh~~neJle and cul-de-sac lots (n the calculations. Ne lndicated h,~ was not sure what thc Planning Commisstcaro was tryin~ to accomplish with this changc; tt~~t this zonc formerly gave the opportunity [o have an ~i0~0-square foot lot and Chey have had ~i;~ost 400 lots bcrorr• the Planning Corm~ission and not one of ttiem has bcen less than 10~000 a, uare feet~ but thc,y do not have that flexlbllity now anci hc wa~ concerned about the quest on of the lot size since tl~ey were beiny plnched from both directions at the same time since the trcnd is Coward smaller f~ousc slzcs. He pointed out that because of [he requirsment to find a harushi~~ they t~ave lost tfiat flexibility and felt the(r recommenda:ion was reas~nable. Annika Santalahti pointed out that the Lusk homes below Peralta 11111s arn on 10~00~-square fout lots a~~d that the minimum width is 6) feet and some of the cul-de-sac lots drop down Co 20 feet. 5r~.. felt the 10$ figure was probably reasonable. Mr. Bettencourt asked if the Planniny Gommission was discussing this because of the density and polnted out that density had not been a pr ~em. He indi~ated Ana~~eim Nills~ Inc. undsrstood this was because the Nlanning Comm(ssion felt the ouses were too close together since the lot frontages were too narrow~ but that if it is because the hauses are too close together~ then they should be further apart~ and that was ihe rcason for their setback suygestlnn. Ne pointed out that if parking is a problem~ tiien they would propose to deal with the parking problem also. Commissioner Linn polnted o~k t`~e footage is mea3ured from the building site and Ix could be ~awn to .;0 feet at the street. Mr. Buffington pointed out that anyone living in the canyon must deal with a variety of solutions to solve the parking problems~ none af ~rhich has been ve ry successful~ and that if you deal with pure numb~rs, with so many parking spaces per dwelling unit, tt becomes a practlcal application as to how far wEll sameone park his car and walk and it is a 5/22/7+. ~ ~... MI~~UTES~ ANAHEIM CITY PI,ANNING COMMISSION~ MAY 22~ 1978 7a~~~a R~SI DEI~TIAL 111 LLS I QE S ITE DEVELOPMENT STANUARDS (contt nued) constent battie. He pointed uut HACMAC thought by increaslny tlie minlinum lat wldth on a cul-de~sac~ this would provide a rrasonable amou~t of off-street perkinq. 7his. coupled wtth their ~ecommendatlon concerntng khe si~e yard setback~ they thought wquld solve the parking prnbl~m and the problem of the houses being too close toyQther~ and polnted out m~be: the 5~ panhandle lot fiqure was conservative~ b ut these are conservative peaple. Commissioner Herbst su93ested thst for the RS-10.Q00 2onc tl~e averege lot could bc 75 feet, nonc less than 50 feet. wlth 10~ panhandle l~ts and no morc the~ two panhandle lots per cul-de-sac measured at thc s~thack. Mr. Hettencourt po(nted out t~~at with the terrain possi~ilities they ~robably could not makn the setbacks~ and Chairmen Tolar pointed out that by exciuding the cul-de-sacs in the averaye. tl~~y could mt~ke tt~e setbACks~ and Mr. tiettencourt repl ied that they probably could. Jan Hall polncecl out her concerns regarding the 50-foot lots and ~a(nted out If they are allowed~ khey wr~uld have tou ,nany of them~ and Mr. aettenc~urt replied the averag~e has to be 75 fee~ and they could only allow 10$ of the lats 5~ feec or less. !t was noted the ~ecomrtx:ndatton was for nonc less than 50 fcet. ACTION: Commissloncr Ilerbst offered a rnotion~ seconded by Cammissioner King and MOTION CAR~t~ED UNANIMOUSi.Y, that ~for tl~a RS-HS-10~~00 Zone~ lot widths should averac~~ 75 fect~ wfth none less than 50 feet~ but allowing 1f1$ 2~-foot panhandle lots. including panhandle lots In the everage and with no mc~re than twa flag lots on a cul-de-sac. SECTIOW D Annika Santalahti pointed out [his sectlorr conccrns side yard setback requlrements and pointed out a nurrd~er of projects have been built with the 5~foot setback, but with the eave overhang It appears the buildings arc very close. Tne Commission dlscussed the recomme:ndatiQn far a 10$ setback and pointed out sn 85-foot lot would mE;an the setback wou~d be only 8-1/2 feet. Commissloner Herbst felt the way t~+a recommendation is written would cover all tih~ bases and suggegted the side yard should be 1~~ of the !ot wfdth~ with a minimum of 10 feet. ACTION: Commissioner Barnes offered a motion, seconded by Cortmissi~ner Linn and MOTIQN t~ED UNANIHOUSLY~ that In the RS-NS-2Z,000 Zone the side yard requiremenC be a minimum of 10 feet. The Commission discuased the si~e yard setback requlrements for Che RS-IIS-10,000 Zone~ with Jay Titus polnting out that drai~age . a problem and a larger setbeck would help t!tat situation. He stated 5 feet is not a eguate because you cannot enforce the restrictlon for no encroachments into that 5 feet. Lynn Buffingt~n pofr,t~d oui the NACMAC recommendation in the staff report shaul.i h..ve included that there would be no encroachment into the 5-foot setback. Phillp Hettencourt poi~t~d out the M~~heim Fiil s~ Inc. recortmendation is for a 15-foot side yard setback for a two-sto ry house and a 12-foot setback for a single-story ho~_~~~~ with a minimum of 5 feet on either slde. 5/22/78 ,r ~ MI r1UTES, N~N1E IM C ITY PL~NN ING COMMI SS I ON, MAY 22 ~ 1978 ~~'~+~~ RES I QE~IT I AL H I LLS I DE S i TE DEVE LOPM~ ~~T STANDARI-~ (con L i nued) Jen Hall pointod out sh~+ livr~s ln a 1Q~OpA s~u:are foot zone ~+nd the slde yard setback is ta~ sma)) and they hevc drainage problems~ .~~,d she is agAtnst the mfr,imum ~ feet. Joy Tltus pointed out an ti-foot satbeck woulo :.Q the minlmum requlred for proper dr~lnage~ and he would recommend that che minimum ba ~ feet. Lynn Ouffin,yton p~lnted aut fIAC11AC ha~' suggested a 5-foot ~~:tback wl th no encroachn~nt, which would pr~bably produce G, 7 or 2;-foot side yards. anf pointed out there have been gross violations nf the side yard setbecks tn the canyon ~rea. Commissloner liarnes referred to ttie side yard setbacks In Vf 1!a Park requlring lfi feet be~waen h~uses and (ndicatcd sh~ felt this makes tt~:: I~ousPS look pretty wFll spread out. Philip Bettencourt pointed out the Planniny Comrnisstc~n is t,~lking about a~0~ Increase ~n establlsl~eJ sl~ie yard setback r~ui rements~ whf ch ti:~-~u'd nwke achieving the drainage solution scxi~-het easier. but that the drainaye co; ' bP handled another way. Commisstoner E3arnes pointed out the Anaheim tl(lls~ Inc. recommendation Is for 12 feet with a minlmwn of 5 feet~ whlch would ~nean 7 f~et on one side~ and this discussion is only concernin~,~ a ti-foot difference. She suc~g~estad that th~ Commissian should recommend the dtstance batween houses should be 1G fceC~ with neither side Irss than 8 fer.t. Mr. aettcncourt polnted ~~ut that would put ~io single-story t~ouses 16 feet apart, which could create other problems concerning ~o.;! scoraqe, etc. Annika Santalnhti polnted out the code curr~ncly provldes ~~ inches af encroachme~t per required foot ~f side ya~~ sezback which~ in a 5-`c~ot setback~ allows 20 inches of encroachment; that it woulci b~ difficulc to enforce this stipulation of no encraachment. Cornmissioner Nerbst indicated the diff~~rence between the ~iACMAC recommendation and the Mahelm 1lilis~ Inc. recommen:fation is ~ feet, with tir. Dettencourt Indlcating thls would mean thc whole building site on a typical street, and he rcfcrred to the Qublic co~cern about the cc~ t of !~o•.~s i ng and i nd i:.ated th i s was one of tf~e th 1 ngs chat dr i ves the cos t of housing up. Commissioner earnes suggested the requirement of a tocal of 15 feet side yard tback~ w(th neither side beina .ess than 7 feet. Commissioncr FlPrbst disc~ssed the drainage probiems, with Mr. Titus polnting out he h~s seen dwellings with sidewalks ~,n botl~ sides of thc house. Annika Santalahtl poDnted out t~~is would probably not be a cractical requirPment since the minimum lot width would be 50 t a~d with a 15~foot side yard setback, would imply a 35' foot building. Commissioner Nerbst suggested pinning It dovrn to a S~f~t side yard setback on the cul-de- sac lots and 7 or 8-foot setback on other lots~ which gives the flexibillty. Phillp 6ettencourt pointed out we ~,~ve just had the g~eatest ra!n since 1860 and that the average rainfall is 15 inch~s a year and these h~uses are desic~ned for a 100-year storm, and there are a number of equ~lly workabie solutions to [he rear yarc. drain~ge problem rather than precludtng the ..~e of these lots. sizzi7a MINUTES~ ANAIIEIM CITY PLl1NNING CGMMI5510~1~ MAY 22~ 1g78 78-~~10 R~SIDEt~TIAL HILLSIDE SITE DCVELOPMENT STANDARDS (contlnued) Comm(s~(~~ner Johnson indicated ho would dlsagree end polnted out the querter-acre lots in V(11~+ Park. Ne steted if we want ta bulld houses with 5-foot side yard setbacks, th~n we shoul d b~~ 1 1 d RS-50c10 houses and not t ry to c~ 1 1 the~m RS-10 ~QQO houses . Mr. aettencourt pointed nut that the corr~oslte effect of the loss af the apportunity for an 6000-squere foot lot and th~ cstal,lishmont ~f minimum lot frontages and an incrcase~! side yard setback would guaranccc the cost of housing would go up. Cortxnissione~ Barnes askc.~ Mr. Bettencourt what kind of controls c~ul~1 bc put on the devolopers ti~t~t prc~per dralnage wu~~IJ be provided~ and Nr. Il~ttenc~urt ~~plled [hat the dcvclopcrs could h~nve designed individual~ permarent drains frnm thc rr,ar yard to the street~ but there Is no yuArantr.e thcy would ';ave becn malntaineci or tl~at the homeawners mlght not have tarr~e~red with the qrading by puttlr~g in o swimming pool~ eCc. CommiSSloner Herbst sugyested puttiny standards af ~ feet from thc pro~erty line and then if a devoloper wants to ya ;~ 5 feet~ he must s~tisfy che City Fnginaer requirements regarding dralna~~~: of that parcel~ whrther it be ~n the ground, w~nent. culverts etc~, and Mr. Dettencourt repiled tl~at would be satisfactory if it could be admin(stered. Mr. Eiettencourt stated tha ueveloper could surface drain t. amount of water~ but the difficulty 1~ In the final buildtng clean-up of tl~e lot w~~icl~ is very difficult to check (n the field. and Commissioner flerbst poin~..d out tl~~re are other ~-ternatives open to ':;.c devcloper. Mr. B~ttencourx suggested the entroachment sh~uld be allowed simply for the ease of administration. Annika Sa~talahti Indicated the sugyescion by t~.e Com~i~sion would result Ir •one whn wants ta go dawn to thc 5-foot minimutn in connecti~n with a tract map must submit plans for dralnage at the time ~f fiiin~ the tentativc r~ap. Nr. Eiettencou~t Indicated f~e c..uld not ,~easur~ tt~r. xetbacKS wi[hout the houses being plotted, so it should be oone prtor to the piot plan approval. Commissioner Nerbst suggested :hat appro•ial nf tt~e dr,~inage plan could be a~ondition oi the trect map approval. Jay Titu; potnced out anoth~r pr~blem is that Anahe+m Hills~ Inc. grades the area in a rough form pretty mu~ii whcs~-e ~he pads are 9aing to be and when a developer comes in, he declares a hard~hip since the loi. have bGen graded. Ne potnted o~t ihe drainage would f~ve to be .~~ck~d up on the map y~di~~; plan and at Lhat time Anaheim Hills~ I~c. dnes nat have the •~use plot plan in order to determ(ne [he dratnaye. Mr. Bet,~ncourt pointed out they s~ll 2~uilder an apE~roved grading plan and approved ipntative map a~d then he plots tl~e ho•~ses on the pian. Commissioner lierbst suggested the motion should read that a minlmum 8-foot side yard setb ack be required in ti~e RS-HS-10,000 Zone and any I~t on the cul-de-s ac areas thot are not in the SQ°foot a,~ aboye bracket could ~,o within 5 feet ~f the side yard seLback~ subject to the Ci~y Engi~eer's approva) of drainage or any Iot tk~at encroaches within less than 5 to 8 teet would have to have drainage satisfactory to the ~ity Engineer. 5~22:'''g ~ ~ .F MINUTES~ ANAHEIM CtTY PUINNING COMMISSION~ HAY 22~ 197f~ 7Q"~~>> RESIDENTIAI HIlL51DE SITE DEVI:LOPMENT ~TANDARDS (cont(nued) After further discussi~n concerning the side yard aetbsck~ Commisst~ner Linn suqc~estad !hat dun to the lateness of the hvur~ the Plenning Commisslan c~ntinue thls matter unkll the next meeting. Annika Santalehtl suggestsd that It be continued for S`our weeks In arder for IIACMIIC tu consider the matter further. ACTI~DN: Commisstoner David offPre~1 ~ mc~tlon~ secondtd hy Commissione~ Llnn and MOTION CA~tR~ED~ thot further c^ ion of the Residential Nlllsldp Site Development Stande~ds be contlnued t~ the reg~ ting of the Plenning Commisstan on June 19~ 1~78. AUJOURNMENT There betng no further business, Commiss ~ner Kfng offered A motlon~se~onded by Commiss(oner Oav(d ond MOTION CARRIEU~ that the meeting be adJ~urned. The meeting wss edjourned at 7:00 p.m. Respactful ly submi tted~ ~~ ~ i~~~..-,~,.- Edith L. ilarria~ Secratary M ahe(m Lity Planning Commisston ELN:hm 5/22/78