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RA1964/02/25REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY February 25, 1964 (10:00 A.M.) PRESENT: Mr. Chandler, Mr. Schutte, Mr. Krein and Chairman Coons. ABSENT: Mr. Dutton. PRESENT: CITY MANAGER: Keith Murdoch. ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY: John Dawson. PLANNING DIRECTOR: Richard Reese. SENIOR PLANNER, URBAN RENEWAL: Clarence Dingman. SECRETARY: Dene M. Williams. MEMBERS OF URBAN RENEWAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE PRESENT: Mr. Harry I. Horn, Chairman Mr. James L. Morris Mr. J. W. DeDapper Mr. Morris Martinet, Jr. Chairman Coons called the meeting to order. MINUTES: Minutes of the meeting held November 19, 1963, were approved on motion by Mr. Krein, seconded by Mr. Schutte. MOTION CARRIED. Chairman Coons advised that the purpose of the meeting was to further consider the report and recommendations of the Urban Redevelopment Advisory Committee consisting of: 1. The employment of Victor Gruen and Associates to prepare a detailed plan for the redevelopment of the center -city area. 2. The appointment of a separate Redevelopment Agency. Further,at the request of the Redevelopment Agency, opinions have been submitted by the City Attorney 's Office and Mr. Dingman, as to the powers, duties and responsibilities of the Agency. Chairman Coons advised than in his opinion, here again would be an appointed committee given rather broad powers such as the powers of Eminent Domain, Expenditure of Funds and Execution of Contracts, and would be an appointed committee- beyo6d the reach of'the votere. It was'his further opinion that all of the activities inherent by the Redevelopment Agency could be accomplished by recommendations of an advisory committee; that final decisioi and action should be that of the City Council, the only group directly responsi ble to the voters. Mr. Coons advised he would be opposed to the appointment of a separate agency and that this stand was in no way a reflection on the Advisory Committee, who in his opinion, have performed an outstanding service to the City. Mr. Chandler felt that the Advisory Committee's basic recommenda- tion was that redevelopment be accomplished,and without reflection on anyone, their recommendation was one of the methods by which it could be done. Mr. Chandler further advised that in his opinion the employment of Victor Gruen and Associates to make a detailed study and plan was the crux of the matter,and that before he could intellingently vote,:he would have to'de- termine in his mind that if the plan is drawn,the Council is committed to the proposition and will follow through with a redevelopment program, using. the power of Eminent Domain for this purpose that as of now, he was not convinced that the Council would do this. Mr. Krein advised that he would be opposed to contracting for another survey unless there was an agreement'on two points ;`-6ne, the point made by Mr. Chandler, will the City proceed with the redevelopment program; and secondly, will the City Council sitting as an agency exercise the authority of 9 (2) Redevelopment Agency, February 25, 1964 - Continued: Eminent Domain. He personally doubted that they would. Mr. Schutte doubted that redevelopment would be accomplished even if the program was undertaken, and asked who would do the redeveloping. Mr. Krein was of the opinion that the property owners themselves could work out these problems, and personally knew private capital was interested. It was recognized that land assembly could not be accomplished without the eventual use of condemnation. Considering the cost of center -city property, Mr. Coons noted that a developer takes into consideration the total economic re -use of the land, and if controls were established permitting high -rise type of developments, economic re -use could be obtained. Mr. Coons referred to his former stand concerning the use of Eminent Domain, and advised if a developer was successful in obtaining a sizable percentage of an entire block for redevelopment,and it became an issue where a very small amount of ownership prevented the project, in this case the use of Eminent Domain, in his opinion, would be in the best interest of the entire community. What percentage of property should be obtained before Eminent Domain is considered, is another factor that would have to be determined. Reference was made to a recent proposal for the redevelopment of the 100 block of East Lincoln Avenue, wherein of the fourteen property owners, eleven favored the proposal and the three property owners restrict- ing the development represented less than five percent of the total value, and two percent of the total land area. As pointed out by Mr. Chandler, if the power of Eminent Domain is exercised,firm commitments should be obtained insuring development. Discussion was held concerning the advisability of obtaining the study and plan proposed by Victor Gruen and Associates, for the purpose of re- design and re- engineering of the sewer, water and power system, and for the re- design of the traffic circulation to accommodate high -rise structures whether or not the desired redevelopment materializes. Discussion was also held concerning the present city staff undertaking this necessary planning and engineering re- design Planning Director Richard Reese and City Manager Keith Murdoch, were requested to express their opinions as to the value of such study, whether or not it is used as an official redevelopment program. Mr. Reese advised that redevelopment of the center -city area whether planned or unplanned, will require a study of this area and a complete under- standing of the problems and potentials of the area on the part of the city staff. That such study would be a direct assistance to the city staff; further, the consulting team can bring a total package with alternative means to accomplish the potentials as set out in the Economics Research Association Report. In addition Mr. Reese advised that such a report would be valuable in budgeting and planning for long -range capital improvements; in his opinion, the value of those reports already obtained has been very real; they are used in discussions with_developers.and investors who are in- terested in the downtown area. These reports have created interest and have established confidence that Anaheim is concerned with the center - city problems• Inasmuch as Anaheim is competing with all Orange County cities for new development, this confidence obtained by prospective investors is most important. G: W Mr. Chandler asked if the cost of the Victor Gruen Study would be eventually expended should the re- design of subject area be_under- taken by city staff, perhaps over a period of a few years, (3) Redevelopment Agency, February 25, 1964 - Continued: Mr. Reese was of the opinion that far more than the cost of the Victor Gruen Survey would be expended if the study extended over the next decade. Mr. Reese stated that he felt the employment of this firm to make the study would be the most efficient and economical method to gain the needed information in order to reactito the present problems. Mr. Murdoch advised that to relate the expenditure of funds for information obtained in these studies to a specific dollar value to the city at any given point in time, would be difficult if not impossible to do, He stated that the two previous surveys, particularly the Economics Research Associates Report has already resulted in some tangible results, both directly to the city and to the attitude on the part of some of the potential developers of the downtown area; the next step, as recommended by the Committee, is the detailed plan, and in his opinion the most - advantageous of the three studies. However the detailed plan could not have been made without the two previous reports. Mr. Murdoch reported that if the downtown area did not change, it would not be necessary to make plans to change the physical facilities, however, he felt certain that the downtown area would not remain as it is, that is one and two story buildings primarily residential in character. He stated the Economics Research Associates Study was most valuable con- cerning anticipated changes, and the conclusions thereof most valuable in planning physical services to accommodate anticipated changes. Mr. Murdoch stated that if the City is to, instill in the minds and the actions of potential developers the confidence needed, a positive step must be taken to assure them that land assembly can be accomplished, and that facilities will be available and that access to and from the downtown area will be provided. Mr. Schutte was of the opinion that multiple- family residential could not be accomplished in the downtown area because of the high cost of land; and further advised that he would support a large redevelopment in the center -city area whether or not the Gruen report was obtained. Mr. Chandler referred to other professional services acquired to assist the City of Anaheim, and felt that the decision should be whether or not the Gruen study and the expenditure of this amount of funds for an aid to the administration of the city government should be acquired, regardless of redevelopment. Mr. Murdoch advised that the downtown area development is an entirely different complex, and is a conversion of multiple - family re- sidential and commercial enterprises into a potential of a very large population to support a much heavier type of retail and other types of activity. Further, in his opinion assistance is needed to reach the proper conclusions for providing the facilities that are necessary to do the job that should be done in the downtown area, the alternative "to leave well enough alone" will result in a piece -meal situation that has not been successful in the past, and will also result in many duplications. Mr. Reese agreed that there were developments that would take place in the next couple of decades, whether the Victor Gruen report is obtained or not, merely because of the geographical location and the value of this area; however, the potential outlined..in, the Economics Research Associates Report will only be accomplished if the city proceeds with the necessary physical planning,and charts a course of action. In his opinion c the Economics Research Associates Report represents 100 percent of the potential development that could occur, he would estimate 15 percent to 20 percent of the potential would occur anyway, which would be far short of the goal available to the City of Anaheim. Mr. Glenn Fry, former City Councilman, was asked to express his views and thereupon advised that he felt federal government assistance (4) Redevelopment Agency, February 25, 1964 - Continued: should be obtained,thereby reducing the cost to the City of redevelopment. Mrs. Barbara McEntee referred to former conversation with Mr. Schutte, wherein she was of the impression that Mr. Schutte favored apart- ment development in the downtown area. Mrs. McEntee asked if Mr. Schutte had changed his position on this matter. Mr. Schutte replied that eventually apartment developments will occur but only when the land value of the center -city area is equalized with the land values 9f the outside areas. Mrs. Engelbrecht, Commercial and Industrial Realtor, addressed the Council advising of a transaction wherein two large buildings were actually sold twice to purchasers prepared to invest quite a sum of money to upgrade the buildings, and because of advise received, and lack of encouragement shown, the transactions were never consumated. Further, in her opinion a definite stand should be taken as to whether redevelopment will be accomplished on a wholesale basis or on a partial basis, and a definite differential be established of those buildings that can be refurbished and those possibly subject to con- demnation. Mr. Coons reported that a survey has been made by the Fire Department, Electrical Department and others, regarding the feasibility of bringing these buildings up to code requirement; that some of them can be refurbished and some of them would be economically impossible. As to whether or not a building can be re -used, could only be determined on a total plan. Mr. Krein stated that Mrs. Engelbrecht °s arguments were very realistic, and those in this field were very much aware of the situa- tion. Mr. Jim McDonald, Real Estate Salesman, reported that a client of his is interested in one of the main corners in the down- town area, and he was asked to attend this meeting to hear the discus- sion to determine possible action, Mro McDonald further advised that his client is only interested in making this large investment if the total plan is adopted. Mr. Clinton Crocket verified the statements made by Mr. McDonald, and advised that he represented the owner of property referred to. Mr. Cliff Hunnel, owner of property, thought a definite plan was long overdue, and that a development plan of the dowtown area should of been formalized at the time shopping areas in the outlined districts were commenced. Mr. Schutte advised of the attempt made on the part of the City to establish a parking district in the center -city area, recogniz- ing parking to be essential to business. Mr. Coons reported that a great deal of effort has been made to encourage property owners to help themselves. Mr. Ed Peterson, of Redwood Real Estate, reported that re- development could mean potential investment of approximately 100 million —' dollars, and to him the expenditure of approximately $60,000 for a pattern or guide line would be ,justified. Mr, Chandler felt that the question asked as to what the pro- posal would encompass should be answered by a representative of the Victor Gruen Associates, and suggested a continuance for that purpose and also,as suggested by Mr. Schutte,to have some of the investors personally express their position to the City Council. (5) Redevelopment Agency, February 254 1964 Continued: Mr. Harry Horn referred to the request and recommendations of the Committee, and further advised that as a City Council and Redevelop ment Agency they have the power of Eminent Domain and authority to call property owners to determine their wishes. In his opinion if this was done, the City Council would find what the number of property owners were, who were interested in forming corporations for'improvement of a given area; for an example, taking a given block, it could be determined whether or not there is any interest in perhaps developing a farmer's market. At the conclusion of the discussion, it was moved by Mr. Chandler, seconded by Mr. Schutte that this meeting be adjourned to March 3 1964 10:00 A.M., and that a representative of Victor Gruen and Associates be requested to attend. MOTION CARRIED. ADJOURNED: 12:05 P.M. SIGNED: Z"'_ �1 , �' Secretary, Redevelopment Agency REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY March 3, 1964 (10 :00 A.M.) ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING PRESENT: Mr. Chandler, Chairman Coons. ABSENT: Mr. Dutton, Mr. Schutte and Mr. Krein. PRESENT: SECRETARY: Dene M. Williams. Chairman Coons called the meeting to order and adjourned the same for lack of quorum, advising that a future meeting will be scheduled by the Secretary, Tuesday, March 24, 1964, at 10:00 O'Clock A.M. ADJOURNED: 10:00 A.M. SIGNED: Secretary, Redevelopment Agency